SkyDekker 1,465 #51 October 7, 2013 turtlespeed***So is Medicare worse than Medicaid? Wendy P. Yes, in that it is more easily scammed. Does that fall on the users or the institution? I say they knew human nature and it falls more on the shoulders of the Institution, with a good sized portion on the scammers. I am sorry. Are you saying government is responsible to protect people from themselves, because the individuals simply cannot help themselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #52 October 7, 2013 SkyDekker******So is Medicare worse than Medicaid? Wendy P. Yes, in that it is more easily scammed. Does that fall on the users or the institution? I say they knew human nature and it falls more on the shoulders of the Institution, with a good sized portion on the scammers. I am sorry. Are you saying government is responsible to protect people from themselves, because the individuals simply cannot help themselves? No. I can see how you spun it that way, though. If you leave your wallet on your bike seat, knowing it was likely to be stolen, is it your fault or the thief's? Ultimately the thief's, obviously, could you have done something to negate the thief?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #53 October 7, 2013 If you insist on changing it, you won't get your free Hoveround. You know you want one. They'll even deliver that damn thing AND file the Medicare paperwork with costing you a dime. FREE. -ish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #54 October 7, 2013 QuoteOne needs to remember that they view government much different than we do here They depend on government to tell them what is right and wrong and what to do and when to do it They would not know what to do without that omnipresent power over their lives Germans tend to distrust their Government quite a bit. Hell, if we are fed up we just found a party that questions the establishment. Like it happened in the 80s with the green party or very recently with the pirate party. I could give other countless examples. Now if you want to talk about our lacking freedom, we don't have secret courts with secret rulings, we don't have companies with gag orders in how they are helping the Government spy on their customers. We don't detain people indefinitely without due process. Our Government does not read all our emails or record all transaction data. Your Government does it for us ;-) We can even own guns, it's just not that you can buy them at Walmart. So who's Government is the more omnipresent entity ? Quote Of course this is an exageration to a point. But it helped to illistrate the differences You didn't demonstrate any differences, you just regurgitated a fact less, bullshit opinion. Quote Plus, where do you think they get the majority of their news from? Fox? Or the lapdog main stream media that gives Obama a pass daily? My gosh you wouldn't believe that the German press are professionals with all major outlets having at least one press office in the US. You can bet they do more than listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch The Daily Show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 October 7, 2013 ibxQuoteOne needs to remember that they view government much different than we do here They depend on government to tell them what is right and wrong and what to do and when to do it They would not know what to do without that omnipresent power over their lives Germans tend to distrust their Government quite a bit. Hell, if we are fed up we just found a party that questions the establishment. Like it happened in the 80s with the green party or very recently with the pirate party. I could give other countless examples. Now if you want to talk about our lacking freedom, we don't have secret courts with secret rulings, we don't have companies with gag orders in how they are helping the Government spy on their customers. We don't detain people indefinitely without due process. Our Government does not read all our emails or record all transaction data. Your Government does it for us ;-) We can even own guns, it's just not that you can buy them at Walmart. So who's Government is the more omnipresent entity ? Quote Of course this is an exageration to a point. But it helped to illistrate the differences You didn't demonstrate any differences, you just regurgitated a fact less, bullshit opinion. Quote Plus, where do you think they get the majority of their news from? Fox? Or the lapdog main stream media that gives Obama a pass daily? My gosh you wouldn't believe that the German press are professionals with all major outlets having at least one press office in the US. You can bet they do more than listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch The Daily Show. Traditionally, though, the left rules the roost in the media, it is inevitable that the bias bleeds through.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #56 October 7, 2013 QuoteTraditionally, though, the left rules the roost in the media...If so, it's only because the right can't follow anything more involved than a bumper sticker. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 October 7, 2013 GeorgiaDonQuoteTraditionally, though, the left rules the roost in the media...If so, it's only because the right can't follow anything more involved than a bumper sticker. Don Useless post, but SOP. Thanks for your efforts into mediocrity.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #58 October 7, 2013 billvon>A little biased op ed piece, no? You're right. Let's see what the right-leaning Washington Post has to say: ==================== The Post’s View House Republicans are failing Americans in their effort to kill Obamacare By Editorial Board, Published: October 1 AMERICANS’ RESPECT for their Congress has, sad to say, diminished in recent years. But citizens still expect a minimal level of competence and responsibility: Pay the bills and try not to embarrass us in front of the world. By those minimal standards, this Congress is failing. More specifically, the Republican leaders of the House of Representatives are failing. They should fulfill their basic duties to the American people or make way for legislators who will. We don’t come to that view as rabid partisans. On many of the issues stalemating Washington, we find plenty of blame to go around. We’ve criticized President Obama’s reluctance to pursue entitlement reform. The last time the country reached the debt ceiling, we urged both sides to compromise on revenue and spending in the interest of long-term fiscal soundness. This time, fiscal responsibility isn’t even a topic. Instead, Republicans have shut much of the government in what they had to know was a doomed effort to derail the Affordable Care Act. That law, in case you've forgotten in the torrent of propaganda, is hardly revolutionary. It is an effort to extend health insurance to some of the 40 million or so people in this country who have none. It acts through the existing private-insurance market. Republicans tried to block its passage and failed; they hoped to have it declared unconstitutional and failed; and they did their best to toss Mr. Obama out of the White House after one term in order to strangle it in its cradle, and they failed again. =========================== The WP is not right leaning in any way. We'll see what Bezos does with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #59 October 7, 2013 turtlespeed *** Quote One needs to remember that they view government much different than we do here They depend on government to tell them what is right and wrong and what to do and when to do it They would not know what to do without that omnipresent power over their lives Germans tend to distrust their Government quite a bit. Hell, if we are fed up we just found a party that questions the establishment. Like it happened in the 80s with the green party or very recently with the pirate party. I could give other countless examples. Now if you want to talk about our lacking freedom, we don't have secret courts with secret rulings, we don't have companies with gag orders in how they are helping the Government spy on their customers. We don't detain people indefinitely without due process. Our Government does not read all our emails or record all transaction data. Your Government does it for us ;-) We can even own guns, it's just not that you can buy them at Walmart. So who's Government is the more omnipresent entity ? Quote Of course this is an exageration to a point. But it helped to illistrate the differences You didn't demonstrate any differences, you just regurgitated a fact less, bullshit opinion. Quote Plus, where do you think they get the majority of their news from? Fox? Or the lapdog main stream media that gives Obama a pass daily? My gosh you wouldn't believe that the German press are professionals with all major outlets having at least one press office in the US. You can bet they do more than listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch The Daily Show. Traditionally, though, the left rules the roost in the media, it is inevitable that the bias bleeds through. All those megamedia outlets owned by billionaires - as left as can be. Sure.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #60 October 8, 2013 kallend ****** Quote One needs to remember that they view government much different than we do here They depend on government to tell them what is right and wrong and what to do and when to do it They would not know what to do without that omnipresent power over their lives Germans tend to distrust their Government quite a bit. Hell, if we are fed up we just found a party that questions the establishment. Like it happened in the 80s with the green party or very recently with the pirate party. I could give other countless examples. Now if you want to talk about our lacking freedom, we don't have secret courts with secret rulings, we don't have companies with gag orders in how they are helping the Government spy on their customers. We don't detain people indefinitely without due process. Our Government does not read all our emails or record all transaction data. Your Government does it for us ;-) We can even own guns, it's just not that you can buy them at Walmart. So who's Government is the more omnipresent entity ? Quote Of course this is an exageration to a point. But it helped to illistrate the differences You didn't demonstrate any differences, you just regurgitated a fact less, bullshit opinion. Quote Plus, where do you think they get the majority of their news from? Fox? Or the lapdog main stream media that gives Obama a pass daily? My gosh you wouldn't believe that the German press are professionals with all major outlets having at least one press office in the US. You can bet they do more than listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch The Daily Show. Traditionally, though, the left rules the roost in the media, it is inevitable that the bias bleeds through. All those megamedia outlets owned by billionaires - as left as can be. Sure.Its true and you know it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
