The worst part of the gov't shutdown

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DanG

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You are asking a question like that of a person that goes along with the party that thinks that what you get in a check after you pay your taxes is just uncollected income tax.

Which party do I "go along with"? I've voted for Rs as much as Ds.

But but but... you can't do that! How else will people put you into neat little black and white boxes that they can judge you on?

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Which party do I "go along with"? I've voted for Rs as much as Ds.

But but but... you can't do that! How else will people put you into neat little black and white boxes that they can judge you on?

just wait a moment, someone will come along and demonstrate

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turtlespeed

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Employers who are already dicking around with their plans or prepping for it to go into effect?

*100% totally uninformed guess

But what about the panda?

The real question is, who pays for the panda when it gets sick???

The govt?!?

Fuckin' freeloading panda.

Right! Panda needs to show a bit of personal responsibility instead of relying on taxpayer handouts.

Yes, and if you had your way, the panda should be able to vote.

WELL, since you bring up the issue of voting, Obama, the architect of Obamacare, won handily, and the popular vote for the House showed some 2 million more DEM votes than GOP. The ONLY reason the GOP has more house seats is that they gerrymandered the congressional district boundaries.

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Did that take as long as you expected?

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kallend

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Employers who are already dicking around with their plans or prepping for it to go into effect?

*100% totally uninformed guess

But what about the panda?

The real question is, who pays for the panda when it gets sick???

The govt?!?

Fuckin' freeloading panda.

Right! Panda needs to show a bit of personal responsibility instead of relying on taxpayer handouts.

Yes, and if you had your way, the panda should be able to vote.

WELL, since you bring up the issue of voting, Obama, the architect of Obamacare, won handily, and the popular vote for the House showed some 2 million more DEM votes than GOP. The ONLY reason the GOP has more house seats is that they gerrymandered the congressional district boundaries.

And your comment has WHAT all to do with a voting Panda?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

And your comment has WHAT all to do with a voting Panda?

Pandas are Asian - Dems don't care about asians

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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turtlespeed

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Employers who are already dicking around with their plans or prepping for it to go into effect?

*100% totally uninformed guess

But what about the panda?

The real question is, who pays for the panda when it gets sick???

The govt?!?

Fuckin' freeloading panda.

Right! Panda needs to show a bit of personal responsibility instead of relying on taxpayer handouts.

Yes, and if you had your way, the panda should be able to vote.

WELL, since you bring up the issue of voting, Obama, the architect of Obamacare, won handily, and the popular vote for the House showed some 2 million more DEM votes than GOP. The ONLY reason the GOP has more house seats is that they gerrymandered the congressional district boundaries.

And your comment has WHAT all to do with a voting Panda?

But does the Panda have the right to bear arms? And does he have to register to vote AND to buy a gun?

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

[billvon 3,108]

>Which party do I "go along with"? I've voted for Rs as much as Ds.

There are only two choices - and you will NOT leave your box! It's too confusing for people.

[billvon 3,108]

>The worst part of the gov't shutdow

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BY TOM AGUERO | OCTOBER 1, 2013 · 8:08 AM

Government shutdown means no new beer or breweries

At midnight Monday night, September 30th, 2013 the United States federal government began to shutdown due to a failure by Congress to pass a budget. Now you ask what does that have to do with beer?

A small part of the federal government but a key part of the beer industry (craft or otherwise) is the Tax and Trade Bureau (shortened to TTB). The quick background is that all breweries have to get approval from the TTB before opening their brewery or before releasing a new beer. The TTB approves all labels and any interesting formulations, like adding shiitake mushrooms to your brew. For more background go read my earlier post about the TTB.

The Treasury department (which the TTB is part of) has listed what departments it’s going to be shutting down or reducing to save money so other, more crucial, parts can keep running. The TTB isn’t being totally shutdown as it collect taxes, god forbid they stop collecting taxes even if we get nothing in return for them. However, all label, formula, and new brewery approval is ceasing. Here’s exactly what the Treasury said:

TTB would halt its regulatory functions, non-criminal investigative activities and audit functions. However, TTB would ensure that all tax remittances are processed because these functions are deemed necessary for safety and protection of property.

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You can see what this means to the industry as a whole. No new beers from any brewery – so small breweries won’t be able to keep innovating – and no new brewery approvals means the insane growth of new breweries hasn’t had the brakes put on it as much as the growth has slammed into a concrete wall and came to a complete and abrupt stop.
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[DanG 1]

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Government shutdown means no new beer or breweries

Guess we'll just have to make a new batch of homebrew.

- Dan G

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DanG

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Government shutdown means no new beer or breweries

Guess we'll just have to make a new batch of homebrew.

Bottled an Octoberfest style batch last night.

T minus 2 weeks and counting.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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normiss

Which temper tantrum?
Your side or the other side?
They are equally at fault.
As long as they continue to fight against each other instead of working together, we're fucked.
Ad nauseum.

I'm totally amazed that this can even happen at all! One side doesn't get their way in an election and so has the keys to the purse and withholds the money for everything until they get their way on the issue they lost out on in the election... And they call this democracy???

(Having learnt a bit about Obama care t sounds like crap but this is going to wipe 0.9% off the GDP this month at least! WTF???)

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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DanG

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So, keeping the 75% subsidy is not getting one???


Crow anyone?

Staffers are just government employees, with health insurance through their employer. People who have health insurance through their employer don't need to buy insurance on their own. All this "secret deal" did was clarify that legislative employees were in the same class as everyone else in the country.

The fact that your source is the National Review is telling.

Don't bring facts and logic into a RUSHMC discussion

You will just get more broken haiku style ramblings of a crazy person.

That's the real brain drain.

BASIL MARCEAUX 2016!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvaeHllwtw

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rehmwa

***And your comment has WHAT all to do with a voting Panda?

Pandas are Asian - Dems don't care about asians

Only true until they start to number the same as African-Americans and Mexican-Americans.

PANDA 2016!

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jgoose71

Me personally, I say just go ahead and pass the bill and let Obama care stand. I would even force the employer and individual mandates right now. Why you ask?

The sooner we let this piece of shit legislation crash the economy, the sooner we can show people how wrong it is and let the democrats reap the benefits of squandering the remaining wealth of this country. Then the sooner we can get on with rebuilding. As it sits now, we are in a stale mate that will probably go on for quite some time.

Face it, for some people the only way they will ever know the bucket is full of shit is to pour it on them...

And if it ends up not being the biggest pile of shit like some people say it is?

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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LyraM45

***Me personally, I say just go ahead and pass the bill and let Obama care stand. I would even force the employer and individual mandates right now. Why you ask?

The sooner we let this piece of shit legislation crash the economy, the sooner we can show people how wrong it is and let the democrats reap the benefits of squandering the remaining wealth of this country. Then the sooner we can get on with rebuilding. As it sits now, we are in a stale mate that will probably go on for quite some time.

Face it, for some people the only way they will ever know the bucket is full of shit is to pour it on them...

And if it ends up not being the biggest pile of shit like some people say it is?

And if Charles Manson ends up being innocent after all?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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>And if it ends up not being the biggest pile of shit like some people say it is?

Heads would explode from DC to Texas. (Fortunately they'll have coverage.)

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billvon

> (Fortunately they'll have coverage.)

How?

30 million will still not be covered and the price for coverage , for a family of 4, instead of going down $2500 on average, is estimated to go up $7500 now

Looks like this law is working huh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***> (Fortunately they'll have coverage.)

How?

30 million will still not be covered and the price for coverage , for a family of 4, instead of going down $2500 on average, is estimated to go up $7500 now

Looks like this law is working huh

Based on what? Rush Limbaugh - most of the people that I know pay $500 - $700 a month for a family of 4 under their employers plan, it's been that way fow a while.

Can you provide a source that states it's going up $7500 a month?

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jclalor

******> (Fortunately they'll have coverage.)

How?

30 million will still not be covered and the price for coverage , for a family of 4, instead of going down $2500 on average, is estimated to go up $7500 now

Looks like this law is working huh

Based on what? Rush Limbaugh - most of the people that I know pay $500 - $700 a month for a family of 4 under their employers plan, it's been that way fow a while.

Can you provide a source that states it's going up $7500 a month?

Those were costs per year
Obama said his plan would lower family cost $2500 per year
Instead, on average, costs are rising $7500 per year

The following link is to veryify Obama actually said this
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-inflated-health-savings/

This is a good Forbes article on this
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/23/its-official-obamacare-will-increase-health-spending-by-7450-for-a-typical-family-of-four/

Here is the google search I used
Pick you own if you wish

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=obamacare+family+cost+changes&oq=obamacare+family+cost+changes&gs_l=hp.3...2656.17828.0.18007.29.21.0.8.8.0.305.3708.2j12j6j1.21.0....0...1c.1.27.hp..6.23.2713.GttUq9Z_8AY

BTW
What I posted is NOT some hidden info
Been out there for months

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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and Rush usually gets the truth out before any network news does

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

The left also said Obamacare would insure nearly everyone with affordable health care

Also not true
30 million to remain uninsured

Opps!

Take your pick

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&q=30+million+will+remain+uninsured&oq=30+million+will+&gs_l=serp.1.0.0j0i22i30.744291.750767.0.752977.20.17.1.2.2.1.520.3481.7j1j4j3j1j1.17.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..8.12.1645.Vgl0Ay7RnJA

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If the ACA was even half of the train wreck the Right says its going to be, why not just sit back and watch the carnage? If its that bad the Dems would be exstinct in 5 years. But we both know that's not the case.

Your forbs link was an opinion piece, I'll grant you it may have been wishful thinking to think implementing electronic charting would save 75 billion, it has saved, but not what he said.

Here's a link from Fox;

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/

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jclalor

If the ACA was even half of the train wreck the Right says its going to be, why not just sit back and watch the carnage? If its that bad the Dems would be exstinct in 5 years. But we both know that's not the case.

Your forbs link was an opinion piece, I'll grant you it may have been wishful thinking to think implementing electronic charting would save 75 billion, it has saved, but not what he said.

Here's a link from Fox;

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/

Because contrary to popular belief, the conservatives DO care about the country and its citizens.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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jclalor

If the ACA was even half of the train wreck the Right says its going to be, why not just sit back and watch the carnage? If its that bad the Dems would be exstinct in 5 years. But we both know that's not the case.

Your forbs link was an opinion piece, I'll grant you it may have been wishful thinking to think implementing electronic charting would save 75 billion, it has saved, but not what he said.

Here's a link from Fox;

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/

So, I give you sources (which the Forbes piece has imbedded links)
and you change the subject
Normal I guess

Fact is, Obamacare was sold on a lie, and passed using backdoor arm bending and procedural tactics
Against the will of the people

But the minority, like you, think the American people do not know what is good for them so fuck em, congress does what it want

Got it

Know this however. Obamacare is not about health care
It is about money, power, control and less freedom
Which is consistent with most of the laws and regs being put into place today are all about

How about this, did you see the report that says the Obamacare law doc has grown from over 2000 pages to nearly 21,000 pages with the regs the bureaucrats are adding to it?

Good news huh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln