BHO's bogus birth certificate revisited

[RonD1120 62]

GeorgiaDon

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Read the section Primary Identification.

Here's the Primary Identification section from the Georgia DDS web site:

"Primary Identification (You must present 1 of the following unless otherwise noted):
US Citizen

Valid, Unexpired US Passport - For more information, please go to www.travel.state.gov/passport/

An original or certified copy of a US Birth Certificate/Amended Birth Certificate filed with the State Office of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency in the Applicant's state of birth (including US Territories and the District of Columbia). "Keepsake" birth certificates issued by hospitals are not acceptable.

GA Residents, for more information use this link to GA Vital Records gta.georgia.gov/rover
Non-GA residents, for more information use this link to view list of other State's Vital Records contacts www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w.htm

Consular Report of Birth Abroad issued by the U.S Department of State, Form FS-240, DS-1350, or FS 545 - For more information, please go to www.travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/birth/birth_593.html

Certificate of Naturalization issued by DHS, Form N-550 or N-570 - For more Information, please go to www.dhs.gov/homeland-security-forms

Certificate of Citizenship, Form N-560 or N-561, issued by the DHS - For more information, please go to www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

SSA Numident Record – Applicant’s date of birth must be prior to January 1, 1940

Original US Military Discharge Papers – Applicant’s date of birth must be prior to January 1, 1940"

So you could use a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship instead of a birth certificate. That's a bit of a dodge, as you would almost certainly need a birth certificate to get a passport, assuming you were born in the US (which I'm pretty sure is the case). I suppose it's just possible the last two forms of ID might apply, not being sarcastic or anything but I recall you've written in the past about your experiences as a young man in the early '60s. Anyway there are other acceptable forms of primary ID but I agree the only one most people would have is either a birth certificate or passport (which requires a birth certificate). It also seems to be true that Georgia does not accept an out-of-state DL as a primary identification.

As an aside, this thread does illustrate the problem people can run into when they need to get acceptable forms of ID starting from scratch, for example to vote. You need a birth certificate to get a passport, you need either one for a DL, and of course you need to be able to prove who you are to get a copy of your birth certificate. If you ever lose all your ID (say, in a house fire) it can be a long difficult job to replace it.

Don

My wife had an expired passport, HS Diploma, marriage certificates, death certificate of first husband in addition to valid FL DL. None of this was acceptable because of the discrepancy on her BC.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

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So is it not possible to have anything wrong with a republican candidate never said this. McCain sucked from the beginning. He never should have been the canidate which would cause the voting public to shy away from them..... or it's always just because the media is plotting to smear them and goes out of their way to viscerally report hype? Ever seen a right leaning canidate get a fair shake from the media lately? Or are the repulicans really trying to get grandma thrown out of her house and want to starve school kids?

I'm sorry to chime in when this is all kind of OT, but I'm with the other guys. McCain almost had my vote. I watch all the news networks, including the ones that went out of their way to put her on a pedal stool in a bright shining light, so I would like to say my vote was an informed decision; and my decision was a no go once I researched and vetted Palin more and more after she was picked up as his running mate. I do not watch ANY network news anymore. Including FOX or local. It is slanted, biased and misleading most of the time

It's a little insulting that you're basically saying none of us made informed decisions and we're all brain washed by the media.

Your choice to be insulted
But we got Obama back in office now. He makes GWB look like the smartest president we have ever had. Many of us seen it coming. The low information voters did not

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[wmw999 2,600]

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As an aside, this thread does illustrate the problem people can run into when they need to get acceptable forms of ID starting from scratch, for example to vote. You need a birth certificate to get a passport, you need either one for a DL, and of course you need to be able to prove who you are to get a copy of your birth certificate. If you ever lose all your ID (say, in a house fire) it can be a long difficult job to replace it.

It is a problem. There's a local organization (Project ID) which is dedicated to that specific thing. A lot of homeless and poor people don't have ID (really). They work with them to get acceptable secondary papers (like voter registration cards, school papers, bills, whatever each state requires), and send them in to the various states, and then follow up.

The line is hours long every day. Not everyone gets in.

Yeah, I know -- "stupid should be painful." But it is anyway. Other people deliberately piling it on and making it more painful is not good.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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LyraM45

Stop bringing a level headed reasonable response into this thread!

ironic that this is posted right after a funjumper tantrum

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[muff528 3]

Just this past weekend I renewed my FL DL online. I did not have to provide any ID other than my DL# and a code number on the back of my existing license. The online form did ask for bday and last 4 of ssn. I just paid them the $55 and they mail me my new license. Although I haven't received it yet, I checked online for status and my new license is now good until 2021. (I guess they're going to use my pic from 2007 on the new license ...no matter, I still look the same.)

HOWEVER, if I had physically gone to the DL office to renew in person, I would have been required to produce all the docs that Ron mentioned ...just so they could be sure that I'm me before issuing the renewal.

Somehow, that doesn't make much sense to me but I don't make the rules. I guess DHS trusts you if you apply online (where no one actually sees who is filling out that form) but gets suspicious if you decide to apply in person with the DL you are renewing.

[Southern_Man 0]

wmw999

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As an aside, this thread does illustrate the problem people can run into when they need to get acceptable forms of ID starting from scratch, for example to vote. You need a birth certificate to get a passport, you need either one for a DL, and of course you need to be able to prove who you are to get a copy of your birth certificate. If you ever lose all your ID (say, in a house fire) it can be a long difficult job to replace it.

It is a problem. There's a local organization (Project ID) which is dedicated to that specific thing. A lot of homeless and poor people don't have ID (really). They work with them to get acceptable secondary papers (like voter registration cards, school papers, bills, whatever each state requires), and send them in to the various states, and then follow up.

The line is hours long every day. Not everyone gets in.

Yeah, I know -- "stupid should be painful." But it is anyway. Other people deliberately piling it on and making it more painful is not good.

Wendy P.

Yes, it is quite difficult to start the process of acquiring ID for somebody who doesn't have any. I have helped quite a few people through that process. Sometimes there are work arounds but even those are not easy.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[normiss 903]

Every 3rd renewal requires a visit in person IIRC.

I was somewhat amazed that after 35 years of having a valid FL DL, I had to prove who I was with a birth certificate, a bill sent to my address with my name on it, etc.

gathergoget.com shows what FL requires.
I really feel for women who have been married a few times...those who have lost all ID....it's a royal PITA.

However, I do think Ron is right about the ID requirements for the most part. In Re DL's anyway.

[muff528 3]

normiss

Every 3rd renewal requires a visit in person IIRC.

So, for me, that would be once every 24 years. Now I understand why requiring a DL or state-issued ID might be considered to be such an oppressive requirement for some folks who might want to vote but can't prove who they are.

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I was somewhat amazed that after 35 years of having a valid FL DL, I had to prove who I was with a birth certificate, a bill sent to my address with my name on it, etc.

gathergoget.com shows what FL requires.
I really feel for women who have been married a few times...those who have lost all ID....it's a royal PITA.

However, I do think Ron is right about the ID requirements for the most part. In Re DL's anyway.

Well, my main point is that if, during this renewal cycle, I'm eligible for online renewal (by just "telling" them who I am over the internet), why can I not use the same requirements for "in-person" renewal ...just show them my old DL and tell them my last 4 ssn.? They even have the further advantage of comparing my face with the picture on the old DL. I do understand that in 16 years I will have to provide BC or Passport. Or maybe the DHS regs which mandated these requirements are just not that important and someone is just writing rules to keep his job rather than coming up with meaningful, effective regulations.

[normiss 903]

We're fooling ourselves in an attempt to find logic in gooberment regulations.

[jakee 1,608]

RonD1120

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In America you have to produce a valid birth certificate to obtain a driver license or renew the one you have.

No, you do not.

You are ignorant of the Patriot Act as enforced by the DHS.

Oh yeah? Show me.

And show the Georgia DDS as well


Read the section Primary Identification.

Uh, yeah, I did. That's why I posted the link.

Have you read it? If so, which part of "You must present 1 of the following" is unclear to you? For Christ's sake man, they even underlined the "1".

I'm looking forward to finding out how many twists and turns you'll take to avoid admitting your ignorance of Driver's licence ID requirements.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,608]

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My wife had an expired passport, HS Diploma, marriage certificates, death certificate of first husband in addition to valid FL DL. None of this was acceptable because of the discrepancy on her BC.

That's your wife's problem. Just because she doesn't have anything other than a birth certificate doesn't mean that you, or I, or Americans in general or Barack Obama need to present a birth certificate to get a drivers licence. Or indeed the presidency.


And now that's put to bed, how about answering some of those other questions I asked? Like how many Presidents do you know of who submitted their birth certificates while applying for the Presidency?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

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In America you have to produce a valid birth certificate to obtain a driver license or renew the one you have.

No, you do not.

You are ignorant of the Patriot Act as enforced by the DHS.

Oh yeah? Show me.

And show the Georgia DDS as well


Read the section Primary Identification.

Uh, yeah, I did. That's why I posted the link.

Have you read it? If so, which part of "You must present 1 of the following" is unclear to you? For Christ's sake man, they even underlined the "1".

I'm looking forward to finding out how many twists and turns you'll take to avoid admitting your ignorance of Driver's licence ID requirements.

Please read my post #226 this thread. It is the second explanation that you failed to take note of.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,608]

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Please read my post #226 this thread. It is the second explanation that you failed to take note of.

That's it Sonny, keep twisting!

I have taken note of your post #226. Unfortunately for you I have also taken note of your post #207, which clearly demonstrates that your post #226 is irrelevant to your claim.

For an explanation, see my post #236.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

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My wife had an expired passport, HS Diploma, marriage certificates, death certificate of first husband in addition to valid FL DL. None of this was acceptable because of the discrepancy on her BC.

That's your wife's problem. Just because she doesn't have anything other than a birth certificate doesn't mean that you, or I, or Americans in general or Barack Obama need to present a birth certificate to get a drivers licence. Or indeed the presidency.


And now that's put to bed, how about answering some of those other questions I asked? Like how many Presidents do you know of who submitted their birth certificates while applying for the Presidency?

No it is and was a problem for both of us.

As to the other presidents, they were known to be natural born Americans. Not like Barrack Hussein Obama who went to college receiving benefits as an Indonesian foreign exchange student and refused to present proof of citizenship or college records.

I'm done with you on this one Rabbit.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rickjump1 0]

Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students, and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens. Sorry, didn't read all your posts.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[JerryBaumchen 1,471]

Hi normiss,

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We're fooling ourselves in an attempt to find logic in gooberment regulations.

Try working for the gooberment; after a few months they make perfect sense.

Now, trying to explain them to civilians; that can be very difficult.

It's all about who signs your paycheck.



JerryBaumchen

[RonD1120 62]

rickjump1

Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students, and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens. Sorry, didn't read all your posts.

That is my understanding. The Brit doesn't seem to get it. Meh!

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,608]

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No it is and was a problem for both of us

Sucks to be you. Still doesn't mean that a birth certificate is a mandatory requirement to get a driver's licence in the USA.

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As to the other presidents, they were known to be natural born Americans.

Known by whom? Known how?

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Not like Barrack Hussein Obama

Just like Barack Obama.

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who went to college receiving benefits as an Indonesian foreign exchange student

No he didn't.

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and refused to present proof of citizenship or college records.

He has presented proof of citizenship.

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I'm done with you on this one Rabbit.

I'm not surprised. Even you must realise the kicking you're taking on this one, and even you must have used up your current deposits of crazy with that last post. See ya around Mr Hatter.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[LyraM45 0]

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Ever seen a right leaning canidate get a fair shake from the media lately?

Heard of Fox News?

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So is it not possible to have anything wrong with a republican candidate never said this. McCain sucked from the beginning.

You pretty much did say that, but not word for word. Forgive me if I am not interpreting it right, but to me it sounds like you said, and continue to say especially with the line you closed this response with, that anybody who didn't vote for a republican is uninformed and mostly uninformed because of what they heard in the media.

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I do not watch ANY network news anymore. Including FOX or local. It is slanted, biased and misleading most of the time

Good. You do your own research. As do I, and I form an INFORMED opinion of who I want in office. Doesn't mean I am not informed or brain washed if I didn't vote the way you voted, especially if I came to my vote the same way you did.

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But we got Obama back in office now. He makes GWB look like the smartest president we have ever had. Many of us seen it coming. The low information voters did not

Again, you think you're not sending a slight handed insult here?

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

[rickjump1 0]

RonD1120

***Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students, and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens. Sorry, didn't read all your posts.

That is my understanding. The Brit doesn't seem to get it. Meh!It is my understanding that refuses to show his college transcripts which might show he was not a citizen at the time of enrollment.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[jakee 1,608]

RonD1120

***Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students, and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens. Sorry, didn't read all your posts.

That is my understanding.

Then you are both very, very gullible.

Here is the headline of the story that claim originated from:

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OBAMA – SMOKING GUN FINALLY FOUND?

April 1, 2009

Can you guess what it is yet?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

RonD1120

***Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students, and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens. Sorry, didn't read all your posts.

That is my understanding. The Brit doesn't seem to get it. Meh!

I am a natural born, Canadian citizen. I have attended Ottawa U as a foreign student and have a canadian birth certificate and passport.

Oh and non of the documents are fake, nor did I have to bribe anybody to get them.

[jakee 1,608]

rickjump1

******Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students, and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens. Sorry, didn't read all your posts.

That is my understanding. The Brit doesn't seem to get it. Meh!It is my understanding that refuses to show his college transcripts which might show he was not a citizen at the time of enrollment.

Please keep going, this is pure gold!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DanG 1]

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Didn't barrybarack get a Fulbright Scholarship reserved for foreign students\...

Nope: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

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and travel out of country with an Indonesian passport to Pakistan when it was off limits to American citizens.

and nope: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp

- Dan G

[kallend 2,174]

Seems we have some April Fools just a few months late.

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