Blackfish

[Bignugget 0]

Thoughts?

Found it equally as disturbing as "The Cove".

Personally I think zoos in general are some of the saddest places you could ever consider to be attractions.

Even worse when they are higher level intelligence animals.

One of the most striking things to me about both this one and The Cove is that so many of the advocates for shutting these kinds of places down are former trainers/workers. That speaks more loudly to me than most things. The Cove had the former flipper trainer, this one has a BUNCH of former trainers at seaworld on it.

I also had no idea so many trainers had been attacked and killed during the course of the history of seaworld.

I guess good for OSHA in hopefully protecting the workers, but I say shut down the zoos and seaworlds, and let discovery channel and HDTV capturing them in the wild show us how they are. Then no workers get eaten, and no animals are stuck in prison.

[skinnay 0]

Very sad indeed that beautiful animals are tortured for the amusement of the dumb-shit general public. I don't always have a problem with zoos assuming they give the animals a proper home, but animal circuses should be banned and people that bring their kids to them need to get slapped.

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skinnay

Very sad indeed that beautiful animals are tortured for the amusement of the dumb-shit general public. I don't always have a problem with zoos assuming they give the animals a proper home, but animal circuses should be banned and people that bring their kids to them need to get slapped.

Sad but somewhat necessary.

In a LOT of cases, it is the only exposure to animals that they would get otherwise.

Blame the parents and the system that allows the nanny state for that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhaig 0]

True... without this exposure to animals, some would never develop appreciation for animal life, and eventually for the natural habitat they are supposed to be in.

Zoos, as sad as the captivity is to some, are a valuable learning tool.

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Rob

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rhaig

True... without this exposure to animals, some would never develop appreciation for animal life, and eventually for the natural habitat they are supposed to be in.

Zoos, as sad as the captivity is to some, are a valuable learning tool.

I much prefer the drive through zoos where you get to experience more of their habitat. Wish they did all that differently though.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

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Blame the parents and the system that allows the nanny state for that

I'm dying to hear you link the "nanny state" to the need to zoos and animal circuses.

Don't hurt yourself stretching.

- Dan G

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DanG

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Blame the parents and the system that allows the nanny state for that

I'm dying to hear you link the "nanny state" to the need to zoos and animal circuses.

Don't hurt yourself stretching.

Well, I'm not going to try to stop you.



It's in the context, but you knew that, didn't you. Deliberate obtuseness is your MO, isn't it?

I'll go over it step by step so you can keep up.

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Sad but somewhat necessary.

In a LOT of cases, it is the only exposure to animals that they would get otherwise.

Blame the parents and the system that allows the nanny state for that.

Most simply put, the parents of the "Nanny State" kids should NOT depend solely, or at least mainly on the schools and education structure. They should instead, take the time to be involved and take part in helping to educate their kids.

Do you follow so far?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Bignugget

Thoughts?

Found it equally as disturbing as "The Cove".

Personally I think zoos in general are some of the saddest places you could ever consider to be attractions.

Even worse when they are higher level intelligence animals.

One of the most striking things to me about both this one and The Cove is that so many of the advocates for shutting these kinds of places down are former trainers/workers. That speaks more loudly to me than most things. The Cove had the former flipper trainer, this one has a BUNCH of former trainers at seaworld on it.

I also had no idea so many trainers had been attacked and killed during the course of the history of seaworld.

I guess good for OSHA in hopefully protecting the workers, but I say shut down the zoos and seaworlds, and let discovery channel and HDTV capturing them in the wild show us how they are. Then no workers get eaten, and no animals are stuck in prison.

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I'm not familiar with what you are referring to...the cove or the other. Do you have a link you can provide please?

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Bignugget

Thoughts?

Found it equally as disturbing as "The Cove".

Personally I think zoos in general are some of the saddest places you could ever consider to be attractions.

Even worse when they are higher level intelligence animals.

One of the most striking things to me about both this one and The Cove is that so many of the advocates for shutting these kinds of places down are former trainers/workers. That speaks more loudly to me than most things. The Cove had the former flipper trainer, this one has a BUNCH of former trainers at seaworld on it.

I also had no idea so many trainers had been attacked and killed during the course of the history of seaworld.

I guess good for OSHA in hopefully protecting the workers, but I say shut down the zoos and seaworlds, and let discovery channel and HDTV capturing them in the wild show us how they are. Then no workers get eaten, and no animals are stuck in prison.

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Ok I just googled the cove. I think killing of dolphins or whales should be outlawed. Sometimes I like taking my boat out the jetties just to see the dolphins swim around my boat. I think they are truly amazing animals. I call them the ambassadors of the sea. I plan on my next vacation being somewhere in florida...probably the keys...if I'm lucky a place like Hawks Cay where I can swim with the dolphins. Seriously if I could have a place right on the water where I could have a pet like flipper I would totally do it. Dolphins are amazing.

[dorkitup 1]

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Most simply put, the parents of the "Nanny State" kids should NOT depend solely, or at least mainly on the schools and education structure. They should instead, take the time to be involved and take part in helping to educate their kids.

Do you follow so far?

Why do you think zoos exist? How familiar are you with the history of zoos?

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dorkitup

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Most simply put, the parents of the "Nanny State" kids should NOT depend solely, or at least mainly on the schools and education structure. They should instead, take the time to be involved and take part in helping to educate their kids.

Do you follow so far?

Why do you think zoos exist? How familiar are you with the history of zoos?

Not very.

My assumption is that they are there mainly for schools to take the kids to instead of the parents educating them, or at least supplementing their education on their own.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[dorkitup 1]

My understanding, which could easily be wrong, is that zoos were first set up to make money. They showcased exotic animals (and sometimes humans) from far-off places, and charged an admission fee. It wasn't until very recently in human history that they were free (in only some places) and meant to 'educate.'

Now I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything (or right, for that matter), but for the most part, I believe zoos, throughout the world, are still meant to make money.

My guess is, that only in the US are people debating the use of zoos as a political chess piece. You have to admit though that's pretty funny.

What a world...

[jakee 1,596]

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My assumption is that they are there mainly for schools to take the kids to instead of the parents educating them, or at least supplementing their education on their own.

That is an attempt at humour, isn't it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

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I'll go over it step by step so you can keep up...


Most simply put, the parents of the "Nanny State" kids should NOT depend solely, or at least mainly on the schools and education structure. They should instead, take the time to be involved and take part in helping to educate their kids.

OK, so schools are an undesirable symptom of the nanny state - and the next step, that involves zoos?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DanG 1]

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My assumption is that they are there mainly for schools to take the kids to instead of the parents educating them, or at least supplementing their education on their own.

Perhaps some zoos can be used to educate. I think the unacceptable side effect is to desensitize children (and adults for that matter) to animal cruelty. When the only exposure people have to animals is watching them through a glass wall, it's hard to make the connection to what their lives are like in the wild. Even the best zoos don't provide a normal life for the animals. Circuses are nothing but systemitized animal crualty. IMHO the only reason they are allowed at all is tradition.

Rehab refuges, on the other hand, are not only more educational, but actually serve the animals instead of imprisoning them. I love going to rehab facilities, especially bird facilities. I won't go to traditional zoos or circuses.

- Dan G

[normiss 898]

The good ones make species protection and preservation their top priority.
Some species would clearly be extinct had they not been preserved in captivity.

Protection, rescue, preservation, and education are all very good reasons for zoos.

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DanG

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My assumption is that they are there mainly for schools to take the kids to instead of the parents educating them, or at least supplementing their education on their own.

Perhaps some zoos can be used to educate. I think the unacceptable side effect is to desensitize children (and adults for that matter) to animal cruelty. When the only exposure people have to animals is watching them through a glass wall, it's hard to make the connection to what their lives are like in the wild. Even the best zoos don't provide a normal life for the animals. Circuses are nothing but systemitized animal crualty. IMHO the only reason they are allowed at all is tradition.

Rehab refuges, on the other hand, are not only more educational, but actually serve the animals instead of imprisoning them. I love going to rehab facilities, especially bird facilities. I won't go to traditional zoos or circuses.

I'll agree with everything you posted.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

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I'll agree with everything you posted.

Holy shit. The end is nigh.

- Dan G

[shropshire 0]

DanG

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I'll agree with everything you posted.

Holy shit. The end is nigh.

Bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... choke... splutter

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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shropshire

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I'll agree with everything you posted.

Holy shit. The end is nigh.

Bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... choke... splutter

I thought you'd get a kick outta that.
True, it is, however.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[shropshire 0]

You liven up our days

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Bignugget

Thoughts?

Found it equally as disturbing as "The Cove".

If it's anything like The Cove, I have no interest. That is NOT a documentary to watch if you have any kind of love for dolphins...horrible.

"Are you coming to the party?
Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!"
Flying Hellfish #828
Dudist #52

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linebckr83

***Thoughts?

Found it equally as disturbing as "The Cove".

If it's anything like The Cove, I have no interest. That is NOT a documentary to watch if you have any kind of love for dolphins...horrible.

You mean our sentient, but misunderstood marine mammal friends?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Bignugget 0]

normiss

The good ones make species protection and preservation their top priority.
Some species would clearly be extinct had they not been preserved in captivity.

Protection, rescue, preservation, and education are all very good reasons for zoos.

That's kind of like BP making safety their top priority in my mind.



Protect the animals who are rare and at risk by capturing them and locking them in small pens? With protection of at risk animals as a top priority that is the best we can come up with?

Rescue the animals who are rare and at risk from their at risk spots and shipping them around the world to be locked in pens, put on display, punished and abused? Best way to rescue them with it as a top priority?

Preserve them by locking them away to be performance tools instead of captive breeding/release. Again, doesn't seem like its a top priority. In 'Blackfish' they show a lineage chart of Tilikum. Instead of breeding him and releasing killer whales into the wild, they breed him and ship his babies around to make money.

I personally learn a lot more watching Discovery specials about the animal kingdom than I ever did visiting the zoo. I think they may have served a nice educational purpose 50 years ago, when without a zoo the majority of people would never see non-native animals. That is just not the case in 2013 when we can experience them in their natural habitat thanks to technology.

And the St. Louis Zoo is supposedly one of the better ones in the US, usually ranked in the top 5 of any list I have seen.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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When the only exposure people have to animals is watching them through a glass wall, it's hard to make the connection to what their lives are like in the wild. Even the best zoos don't provide a normal life for the animals. Circuses are nothing but systemitized animal crualty. IMHO the only reason they are allowed at all is tradition

How is this any different from owning a home aquarium, a dog, cat, bird, etc?

Why is it ok to kill tuna, but not dolphin. Why is it fine to capture and kill mice, but not capture and keep alive a lion?