Romney was right?

[billvon 3,132]

> It just frustrates the left that they don't get the opportunity to control where it goes.

And it seems to frustrate the right that not everyone pays them.

>I'd also be willing to bet that IF you were in a position to zero out your income tax bill, you would.

Yet you condemn people whose income tax bills are zeroed out.

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billvon

>It would appear that having an accountant who understands the tax code helps. Don't
>like it...change the tax code.

Now you're defending the 47%? I predict two days until the next flip flop.

You believe the 47% who pay no income tax have accountants? I'll submit the reason a majority of the 47% pay no income tax is entitlements aren't taxable income.

The Work Versus Welfare Trade-Off: An Analysis of the Total Level of Welfare Benefits by State
http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/work-versus-welfare-trade-analysis-total-level-welfare-benefits-state

The value of the full package of welfare benefits for a typical recipient in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia exceeds the poverty level. Because welfare benefits are tax-free, their dollar value is often greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.

In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00 an hour job. In 17 states the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00 an hour job.

In Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, New York, and Rhode Island welfare pays more than a $12.00 an hour job—or two and a half times the minimum wage.

In nine states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. And in the six most generous states it pays more than the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.

Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit. For the hard-core welfare recipient, the value of the full range of welfare benefits substantially exceeds the amount the recipient could earn in an entry-level job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work, thus increasing long-term dependence.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kallend 2,180]

And like the good little pawns that they are, the right wingers criticize poor people who pay no federal income tax while praising the wealthy who pay no federal income tax.

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[normiss 905]

Ask a wealthy man what the IRS definition of "income" is.
Stop blaming successful people.
Push for IRS changes.


Look! Shiny!

[turtlespeed 226]

normiss

Ask a wealthy man what the IRS definition of "income" is.
Stop blaming successful people.
Push for IRS changes.


Look! Shiny!

The IRS defines anything left in your paycheck as "Uncollected Taxes"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 905]

No kidding.

You should see the capital gains tax games I'm playing with them.
They want about 54% in fees, interest, penalties for me not paying taxes on some stocks.
I never owned the stocks.
I received a check when they were sold - but I never owned them nor did I ever receive a 1099.
So I missed paying the taxes on the monies.

So I paid that off ASAP before I continued to contribute MORE.
I can't wait to see the IRS manage our healthcare.

[airdvr 210]

kallend

And like the good little pawns that they are, the right wingers criticize poor people who pay no federal income tax while praising the wealthy who pay no federal income tax.

I never was offered a paycheck from a guy on welfare. Do you exclude the mortgage interest deduction when you file? In order for you to make the above claim perhaps you should.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[OHCHUTE 0]

There needs to be a middle class party that only worries about the money, not about what women do with their bodies or how Mexicans are bad for the US. The middle class is being played by both the dems and reps. Middle class are being played.

[kallend 2,180]

airdvr

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And like the good little pawns that they are, the right wingers criticize poor people who pay no federal income tax while praising the wealthy who pay no federal income tax.

I never was offered a paycheck from a guy on welfare.



Completely irrelevant.

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Do you exclude the mortgage interest deduction when you file? In order for you to make the above claim perhaps you should.

I don't claim a mortgage interest deduction.

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I guess so. Which is more than you have, since you have contributed zilch to this thread.

Cute... you still have nothing.

[DaVinci 0]

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Why don't Republicans get all enraged about the "Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

You would have to ask those that are happy about it.

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Apparently it's a travesty that poor people get to pay no income tax, but just fine when wealthy people do the same.

Well, when the wealthy create jobs, stimulate the economy, and pay plenty of other taxes while using very little in services.... I'll admit I have less issue than people who vote to give themselves more benefits knowing they will not have to pay for any of them.

It would be like me being more than willing to make you pay for my car payment... I'd be more likely to drive a new BMW than my 2006.

[kallend 2,180]

DaVinci

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Why don't Republicans get all enraged about the "Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

You would have to ask those that are happy about it.

***Apparently it's a travesty that poor people get to pay no income tax, but just fine when wealthy people do the same.

Well, when the wealthy create jobs, stimulate the economy, and pay plenty of other taxes while using very little in services.... I'll admit I have less issue than people who vote to give themselves more benefits knowing they will not have to pay for any of them.

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Well, except that the wealthy are receiving dividends from corporations that are big recipients of corporate welfare, and who have bought the Congress lock, stock and barrel.

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kallend

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Why don't Republicans get all enraged about the "Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

You would have to ask those that are happy about it.

***Apparently it's a travesty that poor people get to pay no income tax, but just fine when wealthy people do the same.

Well, when the wealthy create jobs, stimulate the economy, and pay plenty of other taxes while using very little in services.... I'll admit I have less issue than people who vote to give themselves more benefits knowing they will not have to pay for any of them.

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Well, except that the wealthy are receiving dividends from corporations that are big recipients of corporate welfare, and who have bought the Congress lock, stock and barrel.

I take exception to the notion that our legislators are for sale.

They are for RENT!

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who have bought the Congress lock, stock and barrel

So you are saying Pelosi, Feinstein, and Obama were all "bought lock stock and barrel"?

[kallend 2,180]

DaVinci

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who have bought the Congress lock, stock and barrel

So you are saying Pelosi, Feinstein, and Obama were all "bought lock stock and barrel"?

Follow the money.

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