Castle Doctrine...

[masterrig 1]

...this time, in Missouri. Was he protecting his life and property or could he have gone a lesser route?

http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/read/category/Us%20News/article/ap-mo_slaying_case_may_hinge_on_property_ri-ap


Chuck

[quade 4]

Idiot.

Peeing in a bush doesn't rise to the level where a person should be shot at. FFS, get a grip.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[masterrig 1]

To me, he should've called the cops. The guy has experienced this type of activity in the past. Let the cops deal with it. I have a CHL but the last thing I want to do is start blasting away at someone over a little urine. Yeah, idiot... just like you said. I'll bet you a cup of coffee, he won't be able to re-new his CCW permit!


Chuck

[Stumpy 284]

If you are going to shoot at someone who pissed in a bush, most of my contemporaries at university would have been in trouble on one drunken night or another!

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[masterrig 1]

I know that's right! Brings back some memories!


Chuck

[kelpdiver 2]

masterrig

To me, he should've called the cops. The guy has experienced this type of activity in the past. Let the cops deal with it. I have a CHL but the last thing I want to do is start blasting away at someone over a little urine. Yeah, idiot... just like you said. I'll bet you a cup of coffee, he won't be able to re-new his CCW permit!

The cops would arrive an hour after the pissers left. He lives a a remote location and this isn't even a felony. What he could have gotten from them is a clear understanding of the property line and the potential responses he could take to deter people pissing on his lawn. (why don't they piss in the river? it's the same result anyway)

I know pretty well how the guy feels - there is a bus stop adjacent to my property and my neighbor and the behavior of the people waiting is fairly ridiculous, ranging from waiting on the lawn, to leaving trash, playing with the concrete cover to the gas lines (WTF?) or the guy who keeps stashing smokes in my bush. It brings out the raging Abe Simpson in my girlfriend who keeps stopping for the smelling manure around to put on the lawn.

It's a purely irrational, emotional response to people behaving like assholes at your expense.

Now it's possible that the drunken idiots did initiate contact by throwing rocks. More likely the guy lost control and needs a conviction for manslaughter. Unlike GZ, per this story, he had no injuries at all, let alone ones to the head. But it seems like the evidence will be restricted to testimony from the shooter and from drunken paddlers.

[grue 1]

Disregard, totally misconstrued part of it.

cavete terrae.

[masterrig 1]

From the story, the defense and prosecutor aren't certain where the guy's property line is. I can understand if the drunken paddlers were in fact throwing rocks. Could it be possible that deputies may have been in the area, knowing how things get with the paddlers? Just staying out of sight?


Chuck

[kelpdiver 2]

masterrig

From the story, the defense and prosecutor aren't certain where the guy's property line is. I can understand if the drunken paddlers were in fact throwing rocks. Could it be possible that deputies may have been in the area, knowing how things get with the paddlers? Just staying out of sight?

almost certainly no. This spot is just one of dozens to hundreds along the river, and if they were there, no reason to stay out of sight until shots were fired. From both sides, it's clear that there was build up.

I also think the defence and DA know exactly where the property line is. It's defined by law. Just not well known law to the parties in the incident. But frankly, I don't see how it matters. If they didn't throw rocks first, he has no cause to do this on or off his property. If they did, he did on and off.

[BIGUN 1,483]

Texas & Oklahoma Solution - Electric Fence.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[masterrig 1]

kelpdiver

***From the story, the defense and prosecutor aren't certain where the guy's property line is. I can understand if the drunken paddlers were in fact throwing rocks. Could it be possible that deputies may have been in the area, knowing how things get with the paddlers? Just staying out of sight?

almost certainly no. This spot is just one of dozens to hundreds along the river, and if they were there, no reason to stay out of sight until shots were fired. From both sides, it's clear that there was build up.

I also think the defence and DA know exactly where the property line is. It's defined by law. Just not well known law to the parties in the incident. But frankly, I don't see how it matters. If they didn't throw rocks first, he has no cause to do this on or off his property. If they did, he did on and off.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes-out.


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

That's funny as hell!


Chuck

[Bignugget 0]

masterrig

...this time, in Missouri. Was he protecting his life and property or could he have gone a lesser route?

http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/read/category/Us%20News/article/ap-mo_slaying_case_may_hinge_on_property_ri-ap


Chuck

First off he was 'protecting' a rock bar in a river.....not his life.

Second off.

"Missouri State Highway Patrol trooper Joseph Peart testified that he saw no evidence that Crocker was injured.
Police said Crocker told them, "I just shot the one closest to me.""

So yea, send that stupid gun loving murdering fuck to prison.

Id send him right along with Zimmerman.


I have drunkenly floated that river many times, I am sure I have also drunkenly pissed on some rocks, quite possibly 'owned' by someone else.

Lucky for me no one murdered me for it.

You get more flies with honey.

'Hey guys, that's the edge of my property, I like to keep it cleaned up, mind moving on a bit before you stop and chill out?'

= no one dead.

[rushmc 23]

Zimmerman?

Keep it up

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,587]

Quote

You get more flies with honey.

'Hey guys, that's the edge of my property, I like to keep it cleaned up, mind moving on a bit before you stop and chill out?'

The problem is they just keep coming and coming, you have to keep cleaning up after them, and sometimes you don't want to spend all your time patrolling for drunk assholes near your property.

That said, yeah, taking them out like that is completely unacceptable. But I can sure see where one would get sick of being polite about it. And picking up sodden wet trash from the riverbank.

I'd consider putting a big trash can floating out in the middle of the river, anchored so that it stays put.

people aiming for the trash can are less likely to be on the bank peeing or taking a dump

some of the trash might end up in the trash can, rather than sodden and wet along the riverbank

It sucks having to take care of morons (I also pick up trash along the side of the road). But it sucks more to look at it all the time.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[shropshire 0]

Y'just need a Big Sign .


"Gator Farm"

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Gravitymaster 0]

The landowner would also possibly held responsible if some drunken floater were injured on his property.

[masterrig 1]

shropshire

Y'just need a Big Sign .


"Gator Farm"

Yeah! Somethin' to shoot at!


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

Gravitymaster

The landowner would also possibly held responsible if some drunken floater were injured on his property.

In our 'lottery' society, that is a strong possibility!


Chuck

[shropshire 0]

masterrig

***The landowner would also possibly held responsible if some drunken floater were injured on his property.

In our 'lottery' society, that is a strong possibility!


Chuck

Not if they never find the body ;-p

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[wmw999 2,587]

Maybe installing real gators would do it

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Gravitymaster 0]

masterrig

***The landowner would also possibly held responsible if some drunken floater were injured on his property.

In our 'lottery' society, that is a strong possibility!


Chuck

Used to be that if you were tresspassing and were injured, you got called a dumbass and learned a painful lesson. Of course, that was before the filthy, greasy, lawyers gained their current level of power in our society.
This land owner likely felt the need to protect himself from the vultures.

[wmw999 2,587]

Generally, in those days, also, the trespasser's penalty wouldn't include death. It would include penalties which make it easy to be considered a dumbass.

In high school, one of my brothers used to go out the bedroom window and wander late at night with other kids; they'd wait outside friends' windows for them to come out.

One night, one of them was blown away by a homeowner -- he had a nearly identical subdivision house, and no teenaged son. So he shot the "intruder." This was about 1973.

I'm not sure that's an improvement, either.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[masterrig 1]

Gravitymaster

******The landowner would also possibly held responsible if some drunken floater were injured on his property.

In our 'lottery' society, that is a strong possibility!


Chuck

Used to be that if you were tresspassing and were injured, you got called a dumbass and learned a painful lesson. Of course, that was before the filthy, greasy, lawyers gained their current level of power in our society.
This land owner likely felt the need to protect himself from the vultures.

Yup! I think, the worst thing was allowing lawyers to advertise on t.v.. I've read of where someone broke into a house, fell down the stairs and sued the homeowner for injuries... and WON!? The claim was a faulty hand rail. In this particular incident, I think the property owner just had enough and went over the edge. He didn't show any signs of injuries from rocks thrown at him but rocks can be weapons. As I said earlier, I'm curious to see how this all shakes-out.


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

shropshire

******The landowner would also possibly held responsible if some drunken floater were injured on his property.

In our 'lottery' society, that is a strong possibility!


Chuck

Not if they never find the body ;-p

Good point!


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