NorrinRadd 0 #26 August 21, 2013 Yep! Or Canada, Australia, Britain or anywhere else where the people are accustomed to a better level of freedom! Doing this would be awful for their profits. The only way they could recover is by making this sort of thing mandatory for all phones.Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #27 August 21, 2013 quade Well, now, let's not assume they are completely altruistic. As I said upthread, they may have been essentially forced into developing the technology to placate a particular market outside of the US. The kind of place that enjoys this sort of behavior. I think it would be corporate suicide for them to deploy it in the US though. You may be correct, but based on my relationship with Apple on a corporate level I'd be surprised.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #28 August 21, 2013 NorrinRaddYep! Or Canada, Australia, Britain or anywhere else where the people are accustomed to a better level of freedom! baahahahahahahahahahahcavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #29 August 21, 2013 quade Well, now, let's not assume they are completely altruistic. As I said upthread, they may have been essentially forced into developing the technology to placate a particular market outside of the US. The kind of place that enjoys this sort of behavior. I think it would be corporate suicide for them to deploy it in the US though. With all we've learned thanks to Snowden and others, you really think the US govt would be satisfied having to install hacks on phones on an adhoc basis, rather than just forcing the mfgrs to put it in there? http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323997004578641993388259674-lMyQjAxMTAzMDAwMTEwNDEyWj.html "The FBI develops some hacking tools internally and purchases others from the private sector. With such technology, the bureau can remotely activate the microphones in phones running Google Inc.'s Android software to record conversations, one former U.S. official said. It can do the same to microphones in laptops without the user knowing, the person said. Google declined to comment.""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 August 21, 2013 ryoderWith all we've learned thanks to Snowden and others, you really think the US govt would be satisfied having to install hacks on phones on an adhoc basis, rather than just forcing the mfgrs to put it in there? Well, to my mind, and you can disagree if you'd like, what OUR government spy agencies seem to thrive on is the idea or at least plausible deniability the capabilities exist. Because, you know, the Constitution. Taking out a patent is a very public and overt expression. Other, more repressive countries simply do not give a fuck. They'll tell you right up front and if you disagree, well, fuck you, they're the King or whatever. This leads me back to my original theory about a Middle-Eastern country making it a requirement.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #31 August 21, 2013 quadeJust because it's been patented, doesn't mean it's been implemented. oh, well in that case, it doesn't need to be discussed at all.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 August 21, 2013 rhaig***Just because it's been patented, doesn't mean it's been implemented. oh, well in that case, it doesn't need to be discussed at all. Did I say that? No. My problem was with the subject line and assumption people have this is something that is currently implemented in the free world. For reasons stated above, I highly doubt that's the case.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #33 August 21, 2013 true. It's not a massive problem right now, but awareness is always a good thing. Also another reason (for me at least) to stick with my rooted android phone with the custom ROM. I control the software and the operating system. (and yes, I was being intentionally absurd in my other post)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #34 August 22, 2013 NorrinRaddYep! Or Canada, Australia, Britain or anywhere else where the people are accustomed to a better level of freedom! Oh yes. www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/21/smashing-snowden-hard-drives-sinister www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-detention-schedule7-editorial In a truly free country the people have oversight over government activities. This isn't possible when the existence of those activities is kept secret from the people and even from the people's representatives, and the government lies about them. The more I learn, the more I think Snowden is a hero. I am disgusted with the US and UK's actions with respect to privacy of the people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorrinRadd 0 #35 August 22, 2013 I don't think I ever claimed those countries to be truly free. But their citizens do enjoy a greater level of freedom than, say, Egypt, Syria, Burma, China, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea.... the list is fairly extensive.Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
