Zep 0 #1 August 21, 2013 Very disturbing. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/19/police-now-can-switch-off-iphone-camera-and-wi-fi/ Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 August 21, 2013 Zep Very disturbing. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/19/police-now-can-switch-off-iphone-camera-and-wi-fi/ Whoah.Thank the gods for Droid . . . so far.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 August 21, 2013 Just because it's been patented, doesn't mean it's been implemented. When this patent discovery first came out a couple of weeks ago there was a small uproar until people figured out it could easily be defeated by the simple use of . . . another camera. The ONLY way this is really a serious issue is if ALL companies in a country are forced to adopt it by the country's telecommunications authorities. Then it's an even playing field and no single company, such as Apple would find themselves at a competitive disadvantage by incorporating it into their products. My guess is this technology and patent was part of a requirement for selling phones in some Middle-Eastern country, (Saudi Arabia for example) and as I've said above will probably eventually be a requirement of all phones in that country. However, to deploy that in the US would be commercial suicide.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 August 21, 2013 turtlespeed *** Very disturbing. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/19/police-now-can-switch-off-iphone-camera-and-wi-fi/ Whoah.Thank the gods for Droid . . . so far. I'm sure droids will be doing the same, (if they aren't already). Time to go back to carrying a separate camera. Really brilliant to patent the ability of a device to be remotely hacked."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorrinRadd 0 #5 August 21, 2013 Any slightly more mainstream sources for this?Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 August 21, 2013 NorrinRaddAny slightly more mainstream sources for this? FWIW, lots of hits when you Google it: http://www.google.com/#fp=c45428eb65ce2b7e&q=police+patent+switch+off+iphone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorrinRadd 0 #7 August 21, 2013 I did.. but most stories seem to be on conspiracy related sites or sites with fairly strong political bias.Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #8 August 21, 2013 NorrinRaddI did.. but most stories seem to be on conspiracy related sites or sites with fairly strong political bias. Perhaps this one is more 'generic'. Heck it even offers a different rationale for Apple's patent: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2004233/Apple-files-patent-block-iPhone-users-filming-live-events-smartphone.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #9 August 21, 2013 Apple frequently files for patents on things they never want to see used by anyone, actually. If they hold the patent, in theory nobody can implement it and users never have to worry about it. Of course, that's not nearly as fun as fear mongering...cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorrinRadd 0 #10 August 21, 2013 Thanks :) Edit: I was not trying to be testy or anything, but there is a lot of weirdness that gets 'reported' on the internet from fringe sources. And one story will get passed from one site to the other to the other to the other... usually verbatim.Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,468 #11 August 21, 2013 Hi Zep, Just one more nail in the 'them against us' coffin. The time has come for them to understand that we are on their side. At the same time, we feel that they must be responsible for their actions. At least I do, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 August 21, 2013 The patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US8254902"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 August 21, 2013 QuoteThe time has come for them to understand that we are on their side. I'd say the time has come for us to understand that they are not on our side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 August 21, 2013 Andy9o8QuoteThe time has come for them to understand that we are on their side. I'd say the time has come for us to understand that they are not on our side. I'd say the time has come for us to understand there is no, "our side." It's every man for himself. Just like Ayn Rand wanted.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorrinRadd 0 #15 August 21, 2013 turtlespeed *** Very disturbing. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/19/police-now-can-switch-off-iphone-camera-and-wi-fi/ Whoah.Thank the gods for Droid . . . so far. Agreed. Yet another reason for me to shun iPhone.Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,468 #16 August 21, 2013 Hi Andy, QuoteThe time has come for them to understand that we are on their side. QuoteI'd say the time has come for us to understand that they are not on our side. I think both statements are true. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #17 August 21, 2013 QuoteZep Very disturbing. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/19/police-now-can-switch-off-iphone-camera-and-wi-fi/ Perhaps... But as long as it's used mainly on the darker side of town, then I don't have any issues. It may be a very effective tool in controlling crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #18 August 21, 2013 QuoteJust because it's been patented, doesn't mean it's been implemented. True, but just because the NSA could be reading your emails and listening to your phone calls does not..... Oh, never mind. See the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #19 August 21, 2013 jclalorQuote*** Very disturbing. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/19/police-now-can-switch-off-iphone-camera-and-wi-fi/ Perhaps... But as long as it's used mainly on the darker side of town, then I don't have any issues. It may be a very effective tool in controlling crime. REALLY?!??!?!?!?!? WOW. So it is ok to deny citizens rights based on where they live? Please tell me you are joking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #20 August 21, 2013 aphid***I did.. but most stories seem to be on conspiracy related sites or sites with fairly strong political bias. Perhaps this one is more 'generic'. Heck it even offers a different rationale for Apple's patent: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2004233/Apple-files-patent-block-iPhone-users-filming-live-events-smartphone.html Daily Mail? Well, it makes a change from UFO stories.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #21 August 21, 2013 "Apple frequently files for patents on things they never want to see used by anyone" And therein lies one of today's biggest problems, Company's like Apple, Monsanto and a dozen others patent designs and hold on to them. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 August 21, 2013 Zep "Apple frequently files for patents on things they never want to see used by anyone" And therein lies one of today's biggest problems, Company's like Apple, Monsanto and a dozen others patent designs and hold on to them. The problem aren't the specific and individual companies, but the changes and application of Copyright laws they have collectively lobbied for. Each individual company is looking out for itself by taking advantage of every opportunity they can regardless of anything external. (Just like Ayn Rand wanted.) Collectively, however, it is a bit of a problem.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #23 August 21, 2013 Zep "Apple frequently files for patents on things they never want to see used by anyone" And therein lies one of today's biggest problems, Company's like Apple, Monsanto and a dozen others patent designs and hold on to them. I understand what you're saying, and conceptually agree, but in this case it's for the best. If Apple patents things like this with the intention of never using it because it's awful, and never licensing it, we theoretically never have to worry about seeing someone actually using these ideas. This is NOT a case of Apple wanting this feature to make money. It's more like Apple trying to prevent a horrible thing from happening in the only way they can.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #24 August 21, 2013 >And therein lies one of today's biggest problems, Company's like Apple, Monsanto and >a dozen others patent designs and hold on to them. Right, just as songwriters and novelists copyright things and hold onto them. Even if no one reads them or listens to them. If no one ever wants them, then it's a non issue. If someone else DOES want them, they can be bought and sold like anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 August 21, 2013 grue*** "Apple frequently files for patents on things they never want to see used by anyone" And therein lies one of today's biggest problems, Company's like Apple, Monsanto and a dozen others patent designs and hold on to them. I understand what you're saying, and conceptually agree, but in this case it's for the best. If Apple patents things like this with the intention of never using it because it's awful, and never licensing it, we theoretically never have to worry about seeing someone actually using these ideas. This is NOT a case of Apple wanting this feature to make money. It's more like Apple trying to prevent a horrible thing from happening in the only way they can. Well, now, let's not assume they are completely altruistic. As I said upthread, they may have been essentially forced into developing the technology to placate a particular market outside of the US. The kind of place that enjoys this sort of behavior. I think it would be corporate suicide for them to deploy it in the US though.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
