Egypt

[jclalor 12]

Obama is siding with a right-wing military government that came to power through a military coup, that is also in the process of killing hundreds, perhaps thousand of Islamic extremist and the Right is screaming he's doing it all wrong.

The guy cannot win. What else should he be doing?


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/16/us-egypt-protests-idUSBRE97C09A20130816

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Trolling much? Did you actually read the article you referenced? First off, Egypt is NOT about Obama. Secondly Obama is not siding with the military government and lastly the killing is not one sided. Egypt is a mess and both sides are contributing to the killing. You really need to look at Egypt from some sources other than your American consensus mainstream media sources.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[swisschris62 0]

The "sheeple" have been programmed. Main stream media would only broadcast facts as they are, without prejudice of course.
Where else would we hear about all these important events happening in the world and get our terrorist warnings from?

[jclalor 12]

The truth is there is not much the US can do at the moment. Do we side with Islamic radicals who are out killing Coptic Christians and trying to lay waste to all the government buildings? Or do we side with the unelected military Junta who is dropping the extremist at a fairly impressive rate.

I just want to hear what Obama should be doing, Should he fight tirelessly to put the Brotherhood back in power, where they belong after winning the election. Or should he keep the weapons flowing to the military.


If you could give him advice, what would it be?

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jclalor

If you could give him advice, what would it be?

Stay the fuck out of it. If Egyptians attack another country, then it's our (everyone's) problem, till then... live and let live.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Well, lets see...he should, by law, be cutting off aid to Egypt. Not that he gives a rats ass about the law.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-04/opinions/40365347_1_armed-forces-u-s-aid-muslim-brotherhood

[jclalor 12]

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Gravitymaster

Well, lets see...he should, by law, be cutting off aid to Egypt. Not that he gives a rats ass about the law.

He should cut off aid and demand the rightful winners be returned to power. Is that in our best interest? It's stating to get confusing.

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jclalor

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***Well, lets see...he should, by law, be cutting off aid to Egypt. Not that he gives a rats ass about the law.

He should cut off aid and demand the rightful winners be returned to power. Is that in our best interest? It's stating to get confusing.

Yeah, who gives a shit about doing what he's legally obligated to do. He needs to consider how this will be portrayed during the next election.

[Glitch 0]

Really? Did they change the number of terms the POTUS can serve recently?

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

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Glitch

Really? Did they change the number of terms the POTUS can serve recently?

Do you honestly think that's what I meant?

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Stay the fuck out of it. If Egyptians attack another country, then it's our (everyone's) problem, till then... live and let live.

Amen. We can't back people who end up killing their own citizens, regardless of their political or religious ideology. Both sides are guilty of this.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[lawrocket 3]

Remember when Mubarek was left office? A long-time US ally who maintained the peace with Israel that Sadat helped build? Mubarak wwas hung out to dry, paving the way for Morsi to come in. Then this.

The place has been chaos since then. Note - you called it a coup. No. The President won't call it a coup so why should you?

No - the President can't do anything right. Especially if he doesn't do anything. Taking a stand is important to me.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[jclalor 12]

lawrocket

Remember when Mubarek was left office? A long-time US ally who maintained the peace with Israel that Sadat helped build? Mubarak wwas hung out to dry, paving the way for Morsi to come in. Then this.

The place has been chaos since then. Note - you called it a coup. No. The President won't call it a coup so why should you?

No - the President can't do anything right. Especially if he doesn't do anything. Taking a stand is important to me.

Mubarak was a dinosaur, he was the one thing that the whole country of Egypt could agree on... He had to go. For better or for worse, the days of us propping up our dictators are over. We always tout the virtues of democracy, until we don't like the results.

Before this whole thing started, pundits on the right would have had Obama pandering to the MB, declaring that the military unjustly seized power (Remember, the MB had secretly infiltrated the Obama administration) and would have demanded that the MB be put back in power. He has now done the complete opposite.

What type of stand do you want him to take? Declare the the current Egyptian government is not legitimate and the result of a military coup? Please explain what he should be doing.

[Kennedy 0]

While I think cutting aid and ties to the military is a bad idea, I think a president who ignores the law when it suits him is worse. The law says no aid to coups. So either push to change the law, or follow it. This "we have made the determination that we don't have to make a determination" is unacceptable.

Side note: McCain and a few others are really saying some stupid shit.

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[jclalor 12]

Congress could very easily take up the issue of Egyptian military aid, but they would rather not get involved, it's easier too sling dirt at the President. There are times when the least of two evils are the only options, and continuing military aid seems to be the least of the two options at this time. An argument could also be made that the coup was a popular uprising, supported by the military, perhaps not a good one, but an argument none the less.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I wouldn't call it an argument,I'd call it weaseling and choosing which laws you want to abide by. I'm glad you are OK with you King making it up as he goes along, depending on what is best for the Democrats in the next election cycle.

[jclalor 12]

Gravitymaster

I wouldn't call it an argument,I'd call it weaseling and choosing which laws you want to abide by. I'm glad you are OK with you King making it up as he goes along, depending on what is best for the Democrats in the next election cycle.

What's best for the Democrats? That's one of the dumber things I have heard, since when does doing the right thing become a selfish act? I never realized stopping Militant Islam was partisan, It sure must get confusing when that Islamic Kenyan starts acting out of character. I think taking a step back and surveying the situation before taking drastic steps is a good idea.

It sure must get confusing having to take a contrary position to EACH and EVERY position that Obama takes.

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jclalor

***I wouldn't call it an argument,I'd call it weaseling and choosing which laws you want to abide by. I'm glad you are OK with you King making it up as he goes along, depending on what is best for the Democrats in the next election cycle.

What's best for the Democrats? That's one of the dumber things I have heard, since when does doing the right thing become a selfish act? I never realized stopping Militant Islam was partisan, It sure must get confusing when that Islamic Kenyan starts acting out of character. I think taking a step back and surveying the situation before taking drastic steps is a good idea.

It sure must get confusing having to take a contrary position to EACH and EVERY position that Obama takes.

Yes, because expecting a President to not only abide by but also to enforce our laws is such a contrary position.

Let's hear your justification on this.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obamas-no-congress-strategy-94947.html

He's tired of being called a Dictator, so he has decided to just go ahead and act like one.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Please explain Obamas Foreign Policy.

[jclalor 12]

Funny... When it was your guy it was never an issue.

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jclalor

Funny... When it was your guy it was never an issue.

BDIF

Even you find his actions indefensible...that's what I thought.

[jclalor 12]

Gravitymaster

***Funny... When it was your guy it was never an issue.

BDIF

Even you find his actions indefensible...that's what I thought.

What actions? You tell me what would be good policy right now in Egypt. (Outside of siding with the radical Muslims)

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jclalor

******Funny... When it was your guy it was never an issue.

BDIF

Even you find his actions indefensible...that's what I thought.

What actions? You tell me what would be good policy right now in Egypt. (Outside of siding with the radical Muslims)

Follow the law, withdraw aid, let them fight it out and then support the next government as long as they are duly elected by the people. Did I mention, follow the law?

[jclalor 12]

Gravitymaster

*********Funny... When it was your guy it was never an issue.

BDIF

Even you find his actions indefensible...that's what I thought.

What actions? You tell me what would be good policy right now in Egypt. (Outside of siding with the radical Muslims)

Follow the law, withdraw aid, let them fight it out and then support the next government as long as they are duly elected by the people. Did I mention, follow the law?

Duly elected? You must mean governments like Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood. Do you remember the crap Obama received when he called Morsi after his election? Do you remember how the right said the Obama
administration was infiltrated by the Brotherhood? And now you say he should support them?

http://islamicantics.wordpress.com/


All those back flips... you have to be dizzy by now.

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jclalor

************Funny... When it was your guy it was never an issue.

BDIF

Even you find his actions indefensible...that's what I thought.

What actions? You tell me what would be good policy right now in Egypt. (Outside of siding with the radical Muslims)

Follow the law, withdraw aid, let them fight it out and then support the next government as long as they are duly elected by the people. Did I mention, follow the law?

Duly elected? You must mean governments like Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood. Do you remember the crap Obama received when he called Morsi after his election? Do you remember how the right said the Obama
administration was infiltrated by the Brotherhood? And now you say he should support them?

http://islamicantics.wordpress.com/


All those back flips... you have to be dizzy by now.

Pretty broad brush you like to paint with. If your King doesn't like the law, then get Congress together and agree to change it. Anything less than that makes him nothing but a Dictator. Or has your blind undying support gone so far that you can no longer see the problem?