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Actually, you are a willing participant in one the biggest scams ever to befall college students or anyone else in this country. Worse than a Wall Street Banker.
Let alone its those of your ilk that have been responsible for creating destructive technologies that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.
So, climb down off that high horse.
Let alone its those of your ilk that have been responsible for creating destructive technologies that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.
So, climb down off that high horse.
Things are looking pretty good for North Pole ice right now. By "good" I mean there's a lot of extent, volume and the weather is such that it probably won't be losing much more.
In fact, this summer looks like it has been the coldest inm at least 30 years. See the attachment. The left wing does not like data such as this. They will, in fact, call it "weather" - which it is. But unlike last year where they were crowing about how little ice there is, they will simply say that "this is what we expected" - even though their prediction said that the tipping point was reached and the death spiral was irreversible.
Now I understand that the data we have is preliminary and raw. In the next few years it'll be adjusted to be one of the five hottest summers the Arctic has ever seen. But that's what climate change deniers do - take observations and compare to predictions and point out where the consensus said it wouldn't happen. Global sea ice? Largest extent ever measured.
The stages of global warming alarmism (and note - the public that feels they've been lied to all along understands it. Even alarmists have reasons why they've changed their tunes)
(1) Human activities are making the world catastrophically hotter
(2) Human greenhouse warming will be worst at the poles
(3) The Arctic is where global warming will be seen
(4) The climate is changing catastropically because of human activities
(5) Any weather phenomenon will be called "extreme" and blamed on anthropogenic causes.
All of which shows that "science" is never settled because "science" is not a conclusion but a process. The scientific process provides answers to questions and leads to more questions being asked. Heck, in another 70 years or so, we'll start seeing some raw observational data to see whether or not the climate models were correct and see that we environmental sinners are left suffering in a hell of fire and brimstone.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
In fact, this summer looks like it has been the coldest inm at least 30 years. See the attachment. The left wing does not like data such as this. They will, in fact, call it "weather" - which it is. But unlike last year where they were crowing about how little ice there is, they will simply say that "this is what we expected" - even though their prediction said that the tipping point was reached and the death spiral was irreversible.
Now I understand that the data we have is preliminary and raw. In the next few years it'll be adjusted to be one of the five hottest summers the Arctic has ever seen. But that's what climate change deniers do - take observations and compare to predictions and point out where the consensus said it wouldn't happen. Global sea ice? Largest extent ever measured.
The stages of global warming alarmism (and note - the public that feels they've been lied to all along understands it. Even alarmists have reasons why they've changed their tunes)
(1) Human activities are making the world catastrophically hotter
(2) Human greenhouse warming will be worst at the poles
(3) The Arctic is where global warming will be seen
(4) The climate is changing catastropically because of human activities
(5) Any weather phenomenon will be called "extreme" and blamed on anthropogenic causes.
All of which shows that "science" is never settled because "science" is not a conclusion but a process. The scientific process provides answers to questions and leads to more questions being asked. Heck, in another 70 years or so, we'll start seeing some raw observational data to see whether or not the climate models were correct and see that we environmental sinners are left suffering in a hell of fire and brimstone.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
[Reply]I teach engineering and physics to young people
This is interesting. A few months ago, I pulled out my old copy of "A Brief History of Time." I was somewhat shocked at how much in it has been made obsolete. As a physicist, I am sure you unslderstand that we aren't even certain of the fundamental laws of the universe. And that climate models - based on physics - take whatever error we have in our understanding and apply it.
Are physics settled, John? If physics aren't settled, then how can climate science be settled?
As a scientist, are you uncomfortable with others challenging understanding? I thought scientists were always challenging and being challenged. Scientists operate at the edge of human understanding (otherwise they are historians) and EXPECT to be wrong, don't they?
My wife is hotter than your wife.
kallend 2,180
lawrocket[Reply]I teach engineering and physics to young people
This is interesting. A few months ago, I pulled out my old copy of "A Brief History of Time." I was somewhat shocked at how much in it has been made obsolete. As a physicist, I am sure you unslderstand that we aren't even certain of the fundamental laws of the universe. And that climate models - based on physics - take whatever error we have in our understanding and apply it.
Are physics settled, John? If physics aren't settled, then how can climate science be settled?
As a scientist, are you uncomfortable with others challenging understanding? I thought scientists were always challenging and being challenged. Scientists operate at the edge of human understanding (otherwise they are historians) and EXPECT to be wrong, don't they?
The physics of particles far smaller than an atom are still unsettled, and the physics of things larger than galaxies are unsettled.
In between is looking pretty good. Including climate change.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,180
GravitymasterActually, you are a willing participant in one the biggest scams ever to befall college students or anyone else in this country. Worse than a Wall Street Banker.
Let alone its those of your ilk that have been responsible for creating destructive technologies that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.
So, climb down off that high horse.
Codswallop.
Engineering majors have the highest ROI of pretty much any investment their parents can possibly make on their behalf.
The scam is perpetrated by the banks that make the college loans, and the rules that the Congress the banks have bought has made on their behalf.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend***Actually, you are a willing participant in one the biggest scams ever to befall college students or anyone else in this country. Worse than a Wall Street Banker.
Let alone its those of your ilk that have been responsible for creating destructive technologies that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.
So, climb down off that high horse.
Codswallop.
Engineering majors have the highest ROI of pretty much any investment their parents can possibly make on their behalf.
The scam is perpetrated by the banks that make the college loans, and the rules that the Congress the banks have bought has made on their behalf.
It's also perpetrated by the colleges who continue to raise the cost of an education because they know the Govt. will continue to make the loans and the students will continue to be saddled with massive debt. Nice little system you are a part of. Bernie Madoff would be proud.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dear-class-of-13-youve-been-scammed-2013-05-17
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Gravitymaster******Actually, you are a willing participant in one the biggest scams ever to befall college students or anyone else in this country. Worse than a Wall Street Banker.
Let alone its those of your ilk that have been responsible for creating destructive technologies that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.
So, climb down off that high horse.
Codswallop.
Engineering majors have the highest ROI of pretty much any investment their parents can possibly make on their behalf.
The scam is perpetrated by the banks that make the college loans, and the rules that the Congress the banks have bought has made on their behalf.
It's also perpetrated by the colleges who continue to raise the cost of an education because they know the Govt. will continue to make the loans and the students will continue to be saddled with massive debt. Nice little system you are a part of. Bernie Madoff would be proud.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dear-class-of-13-youve-been-scammed-2013-05-17
Big education gets a pass
Cause they support the Dems
and it is becoming one of the biggest gov/college scams of all time
And kallend is sucking that tit
Cause it benefits him
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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ryoder 1,590
kallend
The scam is perpetrated by the banks that make the college loans, and the rules that the Congress the banks have bought has made on their behalf.
"Prior to 2010, federal loans were also divided between direct loans (which are originated and funded by the federal government) and guaranteed loans, originated and held by private lenders but guaranteed by the government. The guaranteed lending program was eliminated in 2010 because of a widespread perception that the government guarantees boosted student lending companies' profits but did not benefit students by reducing student loan costs."
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_loan#United_States
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
[Reply]In between is looking pretty good. Including climate change.
Then why do we have, contrary to predictions, record and near-record global sea ice extent over the last couple of years? If the physics are settled, then why are the predictions running so off? And why do the predictions keep changing?
Frankly - I view the stages of climate alarmism as a positive. Just like Billvon's stages of climate denial, there is inherent in them that the alarmist/denialist is paying attention to the actual data and changing the opinions. On the other hand, both sides are now moving towards purely subjective opinions on the results. The deniers on the "climate change will be beneficial" opinion and alarmists saying that "extreme weather" is the hallmark.
The earth had been at a sea ice extreme lately - there's so much of it worldwide that the earth can't seem to warm as much as the real scientists said it would.
Note: the basics of greenhouse warming are like the basics of gravitational acceleration. Dave Scott demonstrated it with a hammer and a feather on the moon. However, calculating the time for a feather to land on earth after being dropped from a height of 1000 feet is a helluva lot more difficult than being dropped 4 feet on the moon. Because there are so many more variables.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
rushmc*********Actually, you are a willing participant in one the biggest scams ever to befall college students or anyone else in this country. Worse than a Wall Street Banker.
Let alone its those of your ilk that have been responsible for creating destructive technologies that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.
So, climb down off that high horse.
Codswallop.
Engineering majors have the highest ROI of pretty much any investment their parents can possibly make on their behalf.
The scam is perpetrated by the banks that make the college loans, and the rules that the Congress the banks have bought has made on their behalf.
It's also perpetrated by the colleges who continue to raise the cost of an education because they know the Govt. will continue to make the loans and the students will continue to be saddled with massive debt. Nice little system you are a part of. Bernie Madoff would be proud.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dear-class-of-13-youve-been-scammed-2013-05-17
Big education gets a pass
Cause they support the Dems
and it is becoming one of the biggest gov/college scams of all time
And kallend is sucking that tit
Cause it benefits himWell, they have to come up with the money somehow so their professors can afford their own private planes and antique British Sports Cars.
Considering that I teach engineering and physics to young people, helping them to attain well paying careers, your ignorant statement is just a clear indication that you support the anti-science agenda of the right wing.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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