Obamacare Favorites

[rushmc 23]

Cool
I just want the same

How about all of you?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/07/members-staff-will-keep-healthcare-subsidies-under-obamacare/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DaVinci 0]

The Unions want out.
The Congresspeople and staff want out.

Anyone that didn't see this coming...... Deserves it.

[rushmc 23]

DaVinci

The Unions want out.
The Congresspeople and staff want out.

Anyone that didn't see this coming...... Deserves it.

Yet the rest of us who did see it coming is getting it shoved up our asses too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[regulator 0]

Wake me up when Obama actually does something that makes ALL [a vast majority] of the USA's citizens proud that he's president.

I'll be here waiting for quite a while...probably until 2016.

[Stumpy 284]

regulator

Wake me up when Obama actually does something that makes ALL [a vast majority] of the USA's citizens proud that he's president.

I'll be here waiting for quite a while...probably until 2016.

Meh, replace "Obama" with "any President" and you would also be right. Obama, or his successor, or his predecessor, could have cured cancer and the opposition would still spin that into a bad thing.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[regulator 0]

At least nixon manned the fuck up and admitted he was wrong.

He didn't hold a press conference with the liberal media and blatantly mention 'phony' scandals...a multitude of them.

sorry the curse words are not aimed at you. but obama is the worst president in the history of the united states. I'll take Quade's vanilla lover billy clinton anyday over what we have now.

[Stumpy 284]

From an external perspective, Obama doesn't get close to how bad Bush was. It's all opinion.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[devildog 0]

Stumpy

From an external perspective, Obama doesn't get close to how bad Bush was. It's all opinion.

Hows that? More wars, more secrets, more scandals, more spending, less jobs, etc. under O than B.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[Bignugget 0]

rushmc

Cool
I just want the same

How about all of you?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/07/members-staff-will-keep-healthcare-subsidies-under-obamacare/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/07/health-care-fix/2629717/

"The proposal does clarify that the government will continue to pay its standard share of premiums, resolving one of the biggest unknowns about the impact of Grassley's amendment. Many had been warning of a Capitol Hill "brain drain" if staffers were suddenly forced to foot the entire cost of their health insurance premiums."

So first off the amendment the Republican put forward would do nothing but make them switch from the network 8 million federal employees have access to, to the market where unemployed/uninsured people will be shopping...the government would still be paying the 70-75% they already pay......

"Under the amendment, lawmakers themselves and staffers in their personal, or "official," offices would have to exit the federal employee plan and get coverage through new health insurance marketplaces coming under the law. Also known as "exchanges," the marketplaces will offer subsidized private insurance to people who don't have access to a plan on the job.'


Basically it makes 0 sense, and thats why it was overridden.

There is no need for Congress to exit the insurance system they already have access to.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/

So you want the option to be exempted from carrying insurance under Obamas plan if you already have private insurance from your employer?

You got it.

[Stumpy 284]

OK - Bush started a pretty big war on the basis of a lie. Thats a pretty unforgivable one. Especially considering he dragged in a number of other countries with the same lie.

Everything else you say is arguable and depends a lot on your partisan leanings.
The only thing from my point of view that has a similar potential impact is the stuff going on at the moment from an NSA or (insert other countries intelligence agency here) point of view with regards to privacy. However, quite rightly in both of my "home" countries that is seen more as a domestic issue than involving the US. Obama is complicit but it is the domestic politicians driving their own agendas.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

Stumpy

OK - Bush started a pretty big war on the basis of a lie. Thats a pretty unforgivable one. Especially considering he dragged in a number of other countries with the same lie.

this starts your post out as a lie

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Stumpy 284]

rushmc

***OK - Bush started a pretty big war on the basis of a lie. Thats a pretty unforgivable one. Especially considering he dragged in a number of other countries with the same lie.

this starts your post out as a lie

Ahhh denial is a wonderful thing for the likes of you.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

Stumpy

******OK - Bush started a pretty big war on the basis of a lie. Thats a pretty unforgivable one. Especially considering he dragged in a number of other countries with the same lie.

this starts your post out as a lie

Ahhh denial is a wonderful thing for the likes of you.

Should I repost ALL the quotes from the likes of Schumer, Clinton, Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosi and the list goes on?

Nah
I just let you wallow in it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Oh what the hell
I help you out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

So Stumpy my boy

You gonna man up?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Stumpy 284]

Where in any of that does that contradict what I said? No? Thought not.

Nice attempt at diversion though, seems to be your speciality

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

Stumpy

Where in any of that does that contradict what I said? No? Thought not.

Nice attempt at diversion though, seems to be your speciality

Bush lied so then they all lied right?

Talk about denial

No man here I guess

I had hope though

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Stumpy 284]

Sure - clinton lied as well (wouldn't have been the first time.)
But let me spell this out for you as it's obviously a bit complex.

Bush went to war with Iraq - True
On the basis of a lie - True

Please point out which of the above two statements is incorrect?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[rushmc 23]

Stumpy

Sure - clinton lied as well (wouldn't have been the first time.)
But let me spell this out for you as it's obviously a bit complex.

Bush went to war with Iraq - True
On the basis of a lie - True

Please point out which of the above two statements is incorrect?

What is a lie?
A lie is something said where the speaker knows it is false
You are saying that Bush and all those I posted the quotes for were lying?

Ok
Prove it

Prove that they knew SH did NOT have WMD’s when they said these things

And remember, they were saying those same things years before Bush was even running for office and was unknown nationally at the time

In your court brother
You need to prove intentional deceit to make your case
Or do just hate Presidents who are not Democrats

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[regulator 0]

Bush and Clinton both had their downfalls.

Both of those downfalls were dramatically better than obama on his best days.

[Stumpy 284]

rushmc

You are saying that Bush and all those I posted the quotes for were lying?

Duh. They are politicians

Quote

And remember, they were saying those same things years before Bush was even running for office and was unknown nationally at the time

Did they start a war over it?

Quote

Or do just hate Presidents who are not Democrats

No - I don't think much of any presidents/politicians generally. (Hate is too strong a word) However, Bush from an external perspective was one of the worst. I appreciate that from a domestic viewpoint you may have a different opinion.

In two of the countries I have lived in, I would generally be seen to sit a bit to the right of centre. In the US, with exactly the same viewpoints I come down on the left. SOme of the republican principles I agree with, however the far right and especially the walking freakshow that is the tea party turn me off (yet keep me strangely entertained at election time!). Anyway, I digress.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[Stumpy 284]

regulator

Bush and Clinton both had their downfalls.

Both of those downfalls were dramatically better than obama on his best days.

Disagree, as i suspect does most of the western world outside the US (although would be interested to know if anyone polls that and fine to be proven wrong.)

But thats ok, we are all entitled to our opinions.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[Bignugget 0]

rushmc

***Sure - clinton lied as well (wouldn't have been the first time.)
But let me spell this out for you as it's obviously a bit complex.

Bush went to war with Iraq - True
On the basis of a lie - True

Please point out which of the above two statements is incorrect?

What is a lie?
A lie is something said where the speaker knows it is false
You are saying that Bush and all those I posted the quotes for were lying?

Ok
Prove it

Prove that they knew SH did NOT have WMD’s when they said these things

And remember, they were saying those same things years before Bush was even running for office and was unknown nationally at the time

In your court brother
You need to prove intentional deceit to make your case
Or do just hate Presidents who are not Democrats


"lie1 [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers."


I will direct your attention to #3.

I also noticed you skipped over my reply where I completely decimate your thread.

Kudos.

[rushmc 23]

Bignugget

******Sure - clinton lied as well (wouldn't have been the first time.)
But let me spell this out for you as it's obviously a bit complex.

Bush went to war with Iraq - True
On the basis of a lie - True

Please point out which of the above two statements is incorrect?

What is a lie?
A lie is something said where the speaker knows it is false
You are saying that Bush and all those I posted the quotes for were lying?

Ok
Prove it

Prove that they knew SH did NOT have WMD’s when they said these things

And remember, they were saying those same things years before Bush was even running for office and was unknown nationally at the time

In your court brother
You need to prove intentional deceit to make your case
Or do just hate Presidents who are not Democrats


"lie1 [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers."


I will direct your attention to #3.

I also noticed you skipped over my reply where I completely decimate your thread.

Kudos.

Decimated????


LOFL

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Bignugget 0]

Yea perhaps annihilated is a better description.

Point taken.