Liberal Media is at it again . . .

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kelpdiver

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If FOX gets involved, it's all good and only for the purposes of capitalism.

my statement does not support the use of "only" here. I said they would be happy to take advantage of the situation, knowing that even NBC news wouldn't be satisfied with such a union.

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If somebody else gets involved, it's "propaganda."

my statements on that matter are also clear in this thread, without resorting to a need to make up shit. Yet even NBC knows they look like jackasses here, hence the attempt to bring in Fox.

Fox should be held at the same level as all the rest of the "Free" networks.
The "show" or "PR" that is being proposed should be a documentary if anything, and not aired at all as the most preferable and fair.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

The "show" or "PR" that is being proposed should be a documentary if anything, and not aired at all as the most preferable and fair.

Reading your statements in this thread I think you're confused about some words.

The word "documentary" doesn't mean something can't also be biased or fair or complete and utter propaganda. It simply means it's not a fiction and completely made up. Many documentaries throughout history have been complete, straight-up "truth" of something that has happened . . . AND . . . have been complete and total propaganda and the exact same time. You might want to look up, "Triumph of the Will." A documentary about stuff that absolutely, 100% happened as depicted and yet considered one of the greatest propaganda films of all time.

You simply can NOT know one way or the other without knowing actually having lived right next to that person in the time period involved AND seeing the documentary or biography AND knowing the intent of the film maker. It's impossible.

The point of the above is that no matter who produces it and no matter how it portrays events, SOMEBODY is going to say it's "propaganda" one way or the other.

Get over it. It's a fucking bio three years before an election. Big whoop.

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quade

***The "show" or "PR" that is being proposed should be a documentary if anything, and not aired at all as the most preferable and fair.

Reading your statements in this thread I think you're confused about some words.

The word "documentary" doesn't mean something can't also be biased or fair or complete and utter propaganda. It simply means it's not a fiction and completely made up. Many documentaries throughout history have been complete, straight-up "truth" of something that has happened . . . AND . . . have been complete and total propaganda and the exact same time. You might want to look up, "Triumph of the Will." A documentary about stuff that absolutely, 100% happened as depicted and yet considered one of the greatest propaganda films of all time.

You simply can NOT know one way or the other without knowing actually having lived right next to that person in the time period involved AND seeing the documentary or biography AND knowing the intent of the film maker. It's impossible.

The point of the above is that no matter who produces it and no matter how it portrays events, SOMEBODY is going to say it's "propaganda" one way or the other.

Get over it. It's a fucking bio three years before an election. Big whoop.

Bottom line is it should wait until AFTER the election.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Bottom line is it should wait until AFTER the election.

Which election? The one in which there are no declared candidates? That would include 2014 midterms, 2016, 2018 midterms, etc. Maybe all biographies should be suspended because you never know when someone might decide to run for office.

- Dan G

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DanG

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Bottom line is it should wait until AFTER the election.

Which election? The one in which there are no declared candidates? That would include 2014 midterms, 2016, 2018 midterms, etc. Maybe all biographies should be suspended because you never know when someone might decide to run for office.

I don't think he's suggesting that; just programs that don't match his view of the world.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kelpdiver 2]

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The word "documentary" doesn't mean something can't also be biased or fair or complete and utter propaganda. It simply means it's not a fiction and completely made up. Many documentaries throughout history have been complete, straight-up "truth" of something that has happened . . . AND . . . have been complete and total propaganda and the exact same time. You might want to look up, "Triumph of the Will." A documentary about stuff that absolutely, 100% happened as depicted and yet considered one of the greatest propaganda films of all time.

Or breaking this down - Michael Moore makes documentaries.

(not good ones, but docs all the same)

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quade

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Bottom line is it should wait until AFTER the election.

Which election? The one in which there are no declared candidates? That would include 2014 midterms, 2016, 2018 midterms, etc. Maybe all biographies should be suspended because you never know when someone might decide to run for office.

I don't think he's suggesting that; just programs that don't match his view of the world.

Equal time . . . thats all I ask.

Or even better . . . no time at all before the primaries.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Or even better . . . no time at all before the primaries.

Which primaries? The 2016 election ones? The ones that won't start for another 2+ years? What about the 2020 primaries?

- Dan G

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DanG

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Or even better . . . no time at all before the primaries.

Which primaries? The 2016 election ones? The ones that won't start for another 2+ years? What about the 2020 primaries?

Saddly, it is starting already
Maybe unofficial, but it has started

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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turtlespeed

Equal time . . . thats all I ask.

You might want to look up something that was called, "The Fairness Doctrine" and especially the Administration who saw fit to end it.

"Equal time" was replaced by "free market."

You want to make a documentary or bio about the candidate of your choice? Feel free. It's what the Republican Party wanted with the end of "The Fairness Doctrine" and is now institutionalized under "Citizens United."

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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quade

***Equal time . . . thats all I ask.

You might want to look up something that was called, "The Fairness Doctrine" and especially the Administration who saw fit to end it.

"Equal time" was replaced by "free market."

You want to make a documentary or bio about the candidate of your choice? Feel free. It's what the Republican Party wanted with the end of "The Fairness Doctrine" and is now institutionalized under "Citizens United."

I didn't agree with it then. I don't agree with it now.
The government is partly controlled by the media.

Its a travesty.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

The government is partly controlled by the media.

I worry a lot less about the part controlled by "the media" than I do a lot of other business sectors; military weapons industry, agriculture, pharmacology.

I can turn off, "the media" if I choose to.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

quade

I can turn off, "the media" if I choose to.

Judging by your posts, you dont do it nearly enough

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

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I can turn off, "the media" if I choose to.

Judging by your posts, you dont do it nearly enough

Rush, parts of "the media" are my job. Other parts aren't.

This Clinton bio or any made by anyone else, good, bad or indifferent are, to me, completely optional. My guess is it's completely optional to you as well. Probably is the same case for Turtle as well. Rush Limbaugh is, to me, completely optional.

See that's the thing here, if people don't want to watch any of this stuff, nobody is forcing them to. The audience has to WANT to watch it.

On the flip side, that's also a smart business decision of whoever is making it.

Again, go back a few posts and read what I wrote about the end of "The Fairness Doctrine" and the introduction of "free market."

AND . . . it's the Republicans that are really the people who wanted it this way.

So, it's a little unseemly for them to be bitching about it now.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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quade

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I can turn off, "the media" if I choose to.

Judging by your posts, you dont do it nearly enough

Rush, parts of "the media" are my job. Other parts aren't.

This Clinton bio or any made by anyone else, good, bad or indifferent are, to me, completely optional. My guess is it's completely optional to you as well. Probably is the same case for Turtle as well. Rush Limbaugh is, to me, completely optional.

See that's the thing here, if people don't want to watch any of this stuff, nobody is forcing them to. The audience has to WANT to watch it.

On the flip side, that's also a smart business decision of whoever is making it.

Again, go back a few posts and read what I wrote about the end of "The Fairness Doctrine" and the introduction of "free market."

AND . . . it's the Republicans that are really the people who wanted it this way.

So, it's a little unseemly for them to be bitching about it now.

I was just giving you a hard time Paul
For the most part I agree with you

The repbulicans have learned
they leaned from watching Obama lable Romney before Romney got nominated

Now, the RNC is all over Hillary
Good or bad it is what it is

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The NYT may have taken Hilliary out all by themselves this week

Time will tell

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln