turtlespeed 226 #51 August 13, 2013 quade***What you describe is propaganda, correct? Not at all, or maybe completely, depends on your point of view and the purpose for which it's being done. NO biography of anyone can possibly tell the entire story. It's simply not possible. Further, just the act of wanting to tell the story at all means the person is going to have a point of view on the subject. This doesn't mean they're necessarily biased, simply that they have a point of view. I've been personally working on a biographical piece about a famous couple from the 1940s. I think it's a fascinating story. I have a point of view about it which probably colors the way I'm writing it. That doesn't mean it's going to be propaganda. Right . . . and whom is it that is going to air these portrayals of Hillary? I believe it is an attempt to feel out whether or not she can win the upcoming presidential election. I also believe that there will be much divergence from the actual reality.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #52 August 13, 2013 QuoteRight . . . and whom is it that is going to air these portrayals of Hillary? I believe it is an attempt to feel out whether or not she can win the upcoming presidential election. I also believe that there will be much divergence from the actual reality. Would you be upset if Fox were doing the movie? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #53 August 13, 2013 DanGQuoteRight . . . and whom is it that is going to air these portrayals of Hillary? I believe it is an attempt to feel out whether or not she can win the upcoming presidential election. I also believe that there will be much divergence from the actual reality. Would you be upset if Fox were doing the movie? Yes.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #54 August 13, 2013 So it has nothing to do with who is doing the movie, as you said in your previous post? I don't understand your position. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 August 13, 2013 DanGSo it has nothing to do with who is doing the movie, as you said in your previous post? I don't understand your position. My position is that if she has any intent to run for President, it is disingenuous that she should be involved in a portrayal that not a documentary, and be using this as a tool.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #56 August 13, 2013 QuoteMy position is that if she has any intent to run for President, it is disingenuous that she should be involved in a portrayal that not a documentary, and be using this as a tool. I wasn't under the impression that she was involved. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 August 13, 2013 It all depends on what you want to believe. QuoteHillary Clinton is not involved in the series, he said, and the script has yet to be written. Nick Merrill, a spokesman for Hillary Clinton, declined to comment.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #58 August 13, 2013 QuoteIt all depends on what you want to believe. Okay, so all you object to is your unfounded belief contrary to everything that has been reported. I now understand where you are coming from. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 August 13, 2013 DanGQuoteIt all depends on what you want to believe. Okay, so all you object to is your unfounded belief contrary to everything that has been reported. I now understand where you are coming from. I have a suspicion. It seems like a reasonable suspicion. Even your coveted Weiner hints that hios wife is to be involved in the 2016 campaign. QuoteWeiner said he knew what role his wife Huma Abedin will play in Clinton's 2016 campaign, ... What do you want to believe?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #60 August 13, 2013 DanGQuoteIt all depends on what you want to believe. Okay, so all you object to is your unfounded belief contrary to everything that has been reported. I now understand where you are coming from. she did, however, kick off her 2016 campaign yesterday, speaking to the ABA on voter law reform. She will act like a candidate until/if she decides not to do it. Age may become a factor, but the real issue is the large negative rating. If she can't fix that (and that's exactly the sort of thing this TV movie is about), then she'll probably officially retire in 2015. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #61 August 13, 2013 DanG Would you be upset if Fox were doing the movie? that would probably be more fun - like Celebrity Roast by a very bitter sidekick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #62 August 13, 2013 DanGQuoteRight . . . and whom is it that is going to air these portrayals of Hillary? I believe it is an attempt to feel out whether or not she can win the upcoming presidential election. I also believe that there will be much divergence from the actual reality. Would you be upset if Fox were doing the movie? I'd like to think you already understand the irony of what you're saying. I think you're a smart enough guy to have maybe done the research and know that's actually the case. Something tells me not everyone here is though. Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #63 August 13, 2013 quade Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio. uh, that's a bit of a stretch. NBC, feeling the heat, has been looking to bring in Fox Television Studios into the production in order to counter the poor image. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #64 August 13, 2013 kelpdiver *** Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio. uh, that's a bit of a stretch. NBC, feeling the heat, has been looking to bring in Fox Television Studios into the production in order to counter the poor image. At this point it is only "Might" NBC, Fox might team up on Hillary Clinton miniseries A stretch is one thing . . . but Paul is trying to make monofilament.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #65 August 13, 2013 QuoteEven your coveted Weiner ... The only thing I covet about Weiner is his awesome screen name. No one gives anything he says any credibility at this point. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #66 August 13, 2013 kelpdiver*** Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio. uh, that's a bit of a stretch. NBC, feeling the heat, has been looking to bring in Fox Television Studios into the production in order to counter the poor image. Well, I'm certainly not the one making the stretch. It's something that's out there in the world and it's a real thing. It's how work is done today. Ever look at the credits of almost anything? There's not a lot out there that's only done by a single company and then aired in a single pipeline.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #67 August 13, 2013 quade****** Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio. uh, that's a bit of a stretch. NBC, feeling the heat, has been looking to bring in Fox Television Studios into the production in order to counter the poor image. Well, I'm certainly not the one making the stretch. It's something that's out there in the world and it's a real thing. It's how work is done today. Ever look at the credits of almost anything? There's not a lot out there that's only done by a single company and then aired in a single pipeline. So FOX has contracted? They have agreed to produce it?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #68 August 13, 2013 It's like everything. Not a sure thing until actually done, but it's enough of a thing Preibus nearly broke his legs backtracking yesterday.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #69 August 13, 2013 quadeIt's like everything. Not a sure thing until actually done, but it's enough of a thing Preibus nearly broke his legs backtracking yesterday. Kinda like Hillary Running for President . . . its enough of a certainty that its not a secret anymore. She is just using this as a tool for popularity and exposure. Equal time for all parties.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #70 August 13, 2013 quade****** Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio. uh, that's a bit of a stretch. NBC, feeling the heat, has been looking to bring in Fox Television Studios into the production in order to counter the poor image. Well, I'm certainly not the one making the stretch. It's something that's out there in the world and it's a real thing. It's how work is done today. Ever look at the credits of almost anything? There's not a lot out there that's only done by a single company and then aired in a single pipeline. Is it too much to get you to admit you tried to lie here? ACTUALLY, NBC is the one making this mini series. Currently ALL BY THEMSELVES. In the future, facts may change. But like with Benghazi, it's pathetic to presume they will rather than deal with the existing reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #71 August 13, 2013 Just reporting what I read in the news... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/10/business/media/fox-may-produce-clinton-biopic-reviled-by-gop.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0 http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/08/11/2448451/rnc-priebus-boycott-fox-news/ BTW, where was your outrage when this was being done? http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/04/29/carl-bernstein-prepping-unauthorized-bio-on-hillary-clinton/ So, if you want to call me a liar . . . fine. I don't think you have anything to support that claim, but go ahead if it makes you feel any better.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #72 August 13, 2013 quade Yes, it's actually Fox that's making the bio. From your sources . . . QuoteLeslie Oren, a spokesman for FTVS, as the studio is known, confirmed that NBC is in “the early stages” of discussions to bring the Fox unit in as the production company on the as yet unnamed mini-series, which will star Diane Lane as Mrs. Clinton. “There is no deal yet,” Ms. Oren said. But should a deal be completed, FTVS would become the distributor of the film internationally. FTVS is the production arm of 21st Century Fox’s entertainment group. Emphasis MineI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #73 August 13, 2013 quadeJust reporting what I read in the news... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/10/business/media/fox-may-produce-clinton-biopic-reviled-by-gop.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0 http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/08/11/2448451/rnc-priebus-boycott-fox-news/ BTW, where was your outrage when this was being done? http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/04/29/carl-bernstein-prepping-unauthorized-bio-on-hillary-clinton/ I don't need to pass judgement on every piece of media work in the world. It's completely irrelevant to this odd falsehood you put up, one that didn't stand up to 90 seconds of scrutiny. Quote So, if you want to call me a liar . . . fine. I don't think you have anything to support that claim, but go ahead if it makes you feel any better. The evidence has been presented. You're smart enough to know why Fox might get involved, and I'm sure you'd agree that they're sufficiently capitalistic to not care that they're in for appearances sake, so long as they get paid. So why say they're the ones behind it? Were you hoping to provoke some doubt, yet not expect those people to check into it further? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #74 August 13, 2013 Hilarious. If FOX gets involved, it's all good and only for the purposes of capitalism. If somebody else gets involved, it's "propaganda." Again, hilarious.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #75 August 13, 2013 quade If FOX gets involved, it's all good and only for the purposes of capitalism. my statement does not support the use of "only" here. I said they would be happy to take advantage of the situation, knowing that even NBC news wouldn't be satisfied with such a union. Quote If somebody else gets involved, it's "propaganda." my statements on that matter are also clear in this thread, without resorting to a need to make up shit. Yet even NBC knows they look like jackasses here, hence the attempt to bring in Fox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
