Federal Study - Fracking

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If you wanted to insult my intelligence, you may as well have post this instead.

Judging by your comments in this thread.... There seems to be a great deal of fundamental geology that you seem to be blissfully unaware of.

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And once again... unknown chemicals?

So what does fracking fluid contain ?

[dmcoco84 5]

ibx

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If you wanted to insult my intelligence, you may as well have post this instead.

Judging by your comments in this thread.... There seems to be a great deal of fundamental geology that you seem to be blissfully unaware of.

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And once again... unknown chemicals?

So what does fracking fluid contain ?

So, you're a systems admin, and I'm a paramedic; neither are geologists... yet to make your point, you post a diagram of something I learning in 3rd/4th grade "Earth Science" class.

So then, why don't you show me you have done more self study and actually make a case, instead of posting the mockery of an argument as you have.

While throughout this thread, neither you or Quade will/can even say which of the chemicals posted in this thread so far, that you (personally) have a problem with.

You are both full of it.

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So, you're a systems admin, and I'm a paramedic; neither are geologists... yet to make your point, you post a diagram of something I learning in 3rd/4th grade "Earth Science" class.

Actually I was two semesters away from a bachelor in Geology. I then got offered a well paying IT job because that was my hobby since I was wee lad, had the connections for the offer and the personal reasons to accept.

Since you claim that is third grade knowledge(i agree) you conveniently ignore it to make your point.

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So then, why don't you show me you have done more self study and actually make a case, instead of posting the mockery of an argument as you have.

While throughout this thread, neither you or Quade will/can even say which of the chemicals posted in this thread so far, that you (personally) have a problem with.

You are both full of it.

The argument I'm trying to make is the following:

The long term effects of fracking are not well understood since it is new technology. esp. considering geological time spans. There is evidence (posted by me) that fracking can lead to an increase in earthquakes which affect the current population.

There are definitely consequences that can not be understood today and these consequences could be very dire.

I'm not against fracking per se, I'm against taking incalculable chances for short term economic gain. Thats why potentially dangerous endeavors should be proven to be safe before one starts. And the not other way around.

If fracking turns out to be safe, I'm all for it.

[rushmc 23]

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So, you're a systems admin, and I'm a paramedic; neither are geologists... yet to make your point, you post a diagram of something I learning in 3rd/4th grade "Earth Science" class.

Actually I was two semesters away from a bachelor in Geology. I then got offered a well paying IT job because that was my hobby since I was wee lad, had the connections for the offer and the personal reasons to accept.

Since you claim that is third grade knowledge(i agree) you conveniently ignore it to make your point.

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So then, why don't you show me you have done more self study and actually make a case, instead of posting the mockery of an argument as you have.

While throughout this thread, neither you or Quade will/can even say which of the chemicals posted in this thread so far, that you (personally) have a problem with.

You are both full of it.

The argument I'm trying to make is the following:

The long term effects of fracking are not well understood since it is new technology. esp. considering geological time spans. There is evidence (posted by me) that fracking can lead to an increase in earthquakes which affect the current population.

There are definitely consequences that can not be understood today and these consequences could be very dire.

I'm not against fracking per se, I'm against taking incalculable chances for short term economic gain. Thats why potentially dangerous endeavors should be proven to be safe before one starts. And the not other way around.

If fracking turns out to be safe, I'm all for it.

FACT = Fracking has been going on for 40 years

Tech developments have just made it better recently

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

FACT = Fracking has been going on for 40 years
Tech developments have just made it better recently

Which means approximately nothing.

Your "tech developments" and the word "better" are bullshit. "Better" for whom? Okay the oil companies' profits maybe, but certainly not the victims of their pollution.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

quade

***FACT = Fracking has been going on for 40 years
Tech developments have just made it better recently

Which means approximately nothing.

Your "tech developments" and the word "better" are bullshit. "Better" for whom? Okay the oil companies' profits maybe, but certainly not the victims of their pollution.

OOhhhh. a bit testy right off the bat today

My intent was to state that it had become more effective recently

but since anger and condescension are the order of the day you were too pissed off to ask for clarification

Nice


Here, for you info

http://www.eecworld.com/component/content/article/73-latest-news/258-a-brief-history-of-hydraulic-fracturing

I sure you will find something in the link too that you can release some vitrol on

Oh
and as of yet, your polution comment is still unproven

but you dont care I am sure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

If that is the level and depth of your information, a not current oil company propaganda web site, then it's easy to see why you maybe hold the opinions you do.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

quade

If that is the level and depth of your information, a not current oil company propaganda web site, then it's easy to see why you maybe hold the opinions you do.

I knew you would like that link

Do a google on the history of fracking
Many links show up

And none of them I looked at supported the lie of confirmed water polution from the deep fracking process

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[dmcoco84 5]

quade

If that is the level and depth of your information, a not current oil company propaganda web site, then it's easy to see why you maybe hold the opinions you do.

Why do you continue to not address my questions or statements, go silent, and then when someone posts something stupid, or in this case, not really furthering the discussion... you instantly reply, but continue to remain silent on the actual issues and never finish your arguments?

[dmcoco84 5]

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Since you claim that is third grade knowledge(i agree) you conveniently ignore it to make your point.

If, you agree... what am I conveniently ignoring?

[dmcoco84 5]

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considering geological time spans.

So, what you are getting as is, according to you... it may take a millennium for the chemicals (ones in which you won't say which are a/the problem(s) - "leave that to the experts? - shaking head") to possibly migrate to the ground water above... so we shouldn't do it, unless we can prove it won't, when we have no way to test that.

Interesting logic.

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Earthquakes

Which has nothing to do with what has been discussed.

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dmcoco84

***If that is the level and depth of your information, a not current oil company propaganda web site, then it's easy to see why you maybe hold the opinions you do.

Why do you continue to not address my questions or statements, go silent, and then when someone posts something stupid, or in this case, not really furthering the discussion... you instantly reply, but continue to remain silent on the actual issues and never finish your arguments?

You assume too much.

The fact is, I don't actually sit watching this thread 24/7/365. I pop in periodically and sporadically. I do not pick and choose who I reply to, but rather tend to address the last person in the conversation who has addressed me, just like I'm doing now.

As for your questions or statements, asked and answered. You didn't like the answers. So what? Am I supposed to be at your beck and call or am I actually free to do whatever the heck I feel like?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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dmcoco84

What points are you trying to make?

That fracking is not as safe as supporters like to think it is.

Some energy companies go to great lengths to silence people who suffer from their lack of responsibility. Two Pennsylvanian children will live their lives under a gag order imposed under a $750,000 settlement

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[dmcoco84 5]

You're a Fuggin Trip, Quade.

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masterblaster72

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What points are you trying to make?

That fracking is not as safe as supporters like to think it is.

Some energy companies go to great lengths to silence people who suffer from their lack of responsibility. Two Pennsylvanian children will live their lives under a gag order imposed under a $750,000 settlement

A bit misleading (maybe) on the part of you referencing this article

I can see waste water ponds contamining ground water sources very easily

Today, the waste is not put into earthen ponds and it is hauled and treated

No indication that drilling caused anything

Now the process can be a different thing all together

And these processes are done differently today then when this happened

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[dmcoco84 5]

masterblaster72

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What points are you trying to make?

That fracking is not as safe as supporters like to think it is.

Some energy companies go to great lengths to silence people who suffer from their lack of responsibility. Two Pennsylvanian children will live their lives under a gag order imposed under a $750,000 settlement

As far as the articles you posted (though, along with everything above it in this thread)... you are displaying serious reading comprehension issues.

You have now stated how you feel (what you have posted does not support those feelings); using articles that have definitely leaned the answers toward safe, than less safe. Where I feel better about fracking, given everything that has been said here, than before I even started the thread.

All while everyone making arguments, like yourself, are jumping around from issue to issue, not answering the next stages of logical questions(per each individual issue), and not finishing arguments.

This settlement story has no substance. It does not even come close to showing that the practice of fracking is unsafe, nor safe... likely, someone fucked up. Likely it was an above ground fuck up.

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dmcoco84

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What points are you trying to make?

That fracking is not as safe as supporters like to think it is.

Some energy companies go to great lengths to silence people who suffer from their lack of responsibility. Two Pennsylvanian children will live their lives under a gag order imposed under a $750,000 settlement

As far as the articles you posted (though, along with everything above it in this thread)... you are displaying serious reading comprehension issues.

You have now stated how you feel (what you have posted does not support those feelings); using articles that have definitely leaned the answers toward safe, than less safe. Where I feel better about fracking, given everything that has been said here, than before I even started the thread.

All while everyone making arguments, like yourself, are jumping around from issue to issue, not answering the next stages of logical questions(per each individual issue), and not finishing arguments.

This settlement story has no substance. It does not even come close to showing that the practice of fracking is unsafe, nor safe... likely, someone fucked up. Likely it was an above ground fuck up.

Again, going back to what I said yesterday: you will believe who and what you want to believe, and you have your motivations for it. I read this article this way: if this energy company had nothing to cover up, why the gag order, and why this same pattern of ordering gags on relocated families throughout the country? To you that is a non-point, to me it is simple reasoning that makes perfect sense.

Anyhow, I'm out, have fun supporting the government and this industry that has it by the balls. Peace.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[dmcoco84 5]

Again... reading comprehension issues.

I have presented logical arguments as to why I am not currently concerned about fracking; while totally fine with continued and extensive research. Not because I'm a supported, and not just because.

Its not a "non-point"... the article says nothing; and the article in the OP shows no ground water contamination.

This government is shutting down the coal industry... NG does not have the government by the balls. If Obama wanted to, they could kill NG just like they are killing coal... yet again, the EPA, who is killing coal, is not killing NG; though the private land aspect helps a ton.

Therefore, with no facts, the likely problem with your gag order, is someone fucked up. That does not mean that fracking is unsafe, nor should be stopped. However depending on the fuck up, lessons need to be learned and/or issues fixed.

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ibx

So what does fracking fluid contain ?

Oxidane
Dihydrogen monoxide
‎Hydroxyl

Just to name a few.

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While you might be willing to drink some of the chemicals used in fracking, I sincerely hope for your own well being you do not attempt to drink all of them -- and that's just the chemicals we -know- about, we can only guess at the ones the industry uses they claim as "trade secrets" and have gotten exemptions from listing under the horribly misnamed "Clean Water Act."

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Kennedy 0]

quade

While you might be willing to drink some of the chemicals used in fracking drinking water, I sincerely hope for your own well being you do not attempt to drink all of them -- and that's just the chemicals we -know- about, we can only guess at the ones the industry uses they claim as "trade secrets unfilterable" and have gotten exemptions from listing under the horribly misnamed "Clean Water Act."

I mean, shoot, there's arsenic and stuff in there.

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quade

we can only guess at the ones the industry uses

I hear they drain the blood from kittens and puppies.

at least, that's my guess

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rehmwa

***we can only guess at the ones the industry uses

I hear they drain the blood from kittens and puppies.

at least, that's my guess

Well, that's the "beauty" of what they've been able to do, nobody outside of their own companies know for sure. They got it to where they don't have to tell anyone including the EPA.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[GooniesKid 0]

quade

Just answer one question. If you can, then maybe we can settle this once and for all.

What are all the chemicals are in fracking fluid?

I used to work for big Halliburton,,,i was an onsite engineer for one of their operations called Cobra Fracking...and i can tell you this, there is no way in hell i would bathe in any of the chemicals they use for fracking

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As of today...

http://www.chron.com/news/science/article/Fracking-health-project-puts-numbers-to-debate-4759572.php

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