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kallend 2,148
lawrocket[Reply]Michigan is a net donor to Federal revenues.
So you're saying that if the feds took less money from Michigan then Detroit may be solvent? Your comments are very Ayn Randish - sponges sucking the life out of the producers.
No, putting words in my mouth doesn't work.
I'm simply rebutting daVinci's claim that GeorgiaDon 's post is incorrect.
Michigan (along with most blue states) is a net contributor to the nation's revenues, and most red states are spongers. There are, of course, exceptions.
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kallend 2,148
You'd best hope not, as they are paying the way for the red states.skydiver30960******All these liberal states and cities will fall like domino's.
Don
I say: fuck it all, let each state pay its own way. If Michigan wants extensive "liberal" programs to keep Detroit from rioting, let them pay for it. If California wants tons of green technology, let them pay for it. If Arizona wants big walls and big guns at the border, let them pay for it.
Push everything we can back down to the state level. Dissolve as many federal programs as possible. Federal funds should be to build our roads, defend our borders, and... well, that's about it.
Elvisio "snowball's chance in hell" Rodriguez
You may want to check which states contribute, and which states suck at, the federal revenues.
On balance if every state paid its own way the blue states would get wealthier and the red states would get poorer.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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kallend
You may want to check which states contribute, and which states suck at, the federal revenues.
On balance if every state paid its own way the blue states would get wealthier and the red states would get poorer.
Fine with me, the statement I made wasn't partisan at all. If the blue states have more money, so be it, and let them spend that money however their voters might choose. Same goes for the red states. If you find yourself in a state that doesn't spend your money the way you want it to, move to a state that does.
Elvisio "too simple to work" Rodriguez
[Reply]Michigan (along with most blue states) is a net contributor to the nation's revenues, and most red states are spongers. There are, of course, exceptions.
So Michigan has unfairly hogged resources, as well as other blue States while Red States are left disadvantaged? Why not tax those states more heavily to even up the finances and make things more fair? Seriously - is it fair that some guy working on an auto line gets $42 per hour with health and retirement benefits while someone in Tennessee does not? I think they should send their money over to the other workers in order to provide some parity and fairness.
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billvon 3,116
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>So Michigan has unfairly hogged resources . . .
?? No. If they're sending out more money than they are getting in, they are doing the opposite of "hogging." They send $1 for every $0.92 they get, so they are "donating" 8 cents on the dollar.
> I think they should send their money over to the other workers in order to provide
>some parity and fairness.
They are. Their tax money goes from workers there to workers in Tennessee via the federal government.
?? No. If they're sending out more money than they are getting in, they are doing the opposite of "hogging." They send $1 for every $0.92 they get, so they are "donating" 8 cents on the dollar.
> I think they should send their money over to the other workers in order to provide
>some parity and fairness.
They are. Their tax money goes from workers there to workers in Tennessee via the federal government.
Looks like the bankruptcy has been ordered to be withdrawn by a state court judge, who determined that it violates the state constitution.
Yep. The issue of unfunded pensions in government. Take the money for that and use it for something else. Put paying for it down the road. We see it with government everywhere. California's unfunded pension liabilities are sickening. We're talking in excess of $350 billion in unfunded pension liabilities in Cali (Detroit has about $9 billion).
I'm interested to see what happens to Los Angeles ($25 billion underfunded) and San Francisco ($20 billion underfunded). I see a probability of bankruptcy filings for both of them within 5 years.
Promises made back when to be paid for later. The bills are coming due.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Yep. The issue of unfunded pensions in government. Take the money for that and use it for something else. Put paying for it down the road. We see it with government everywhere. California's unfunded pension liabilities are sickening. We're talking in excess of $350 billion in unfunded pension liabilities in Cali (Detroit has about $9 billion).
I'm interested to see what happens to Los Angeles ($25 billion underfunded) and San Francisco ($20 billion underfunded). I see a probability of bankruptcy filings for both of them within 5 years.
Promises made back when to be paid for later. The bills are coming due.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
rushmc 23
lawrocketLooks like the bankruptcy has been ordered to be withdrawn by a state court judge, who determined that it violates the state constitution.
Yep. The issue of unfunded pensions in government. Take the money for that and use it for something else. Put paying for it down the road. We see it with government everywhere. California's unfunded pension liabilities are sickening. We're talking in excess of $350 billion in unfunded pension liabilities in Cali (Detroit has about $9 billion).
I'm interested to see what happens to Los Angeles ($25 billion underfunded) and San Francisco ($20 billion underfunded). I see a probability of bankruptcy filings for both of them within 5 years.
Promises made back when to be paid for later. The bills are coming due.
And all of the near term disasters about to happen have been under democratic control for decades
Surprised?
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Channman 2
rushmc***Looks like the bankruptcy has been ordered to be withdrawn by a state court judge, who determined that it violates the state constitution.
Yep. The issue of unfunded pensions in government. Take the money for that and use it for something else. Put paying for it down the road. We see it with government everywhere. California's unfunded pension liabilities are sickening. We're talking in excess of $350 billion in unfunded pension liabilities in Cali (Detroit has about $9 billion).
I'm interested to see what happens to Los Angeles ($25 billion underfunded) and San Francisco ($20 billion underfunded). I see a probability of bankruptcy filings for both of them within 5 years.
Promises made back when to be paid for later. The bills are coming due.
And all of the near term disasters about to happen have been under democratic control for decades
Surprised?
I think the point made within DZ.COM often is that conservatives are a bunch of Hay-Seed-Hick dumb asses and the Dems are the educated ones that know best on how to spend money, social engineering, education, govern the nation.....blablablablabla. If it weren't for all of us Southern Ass Holes with our hands held out, thumping our bibles and holding onto our guns things would be so much better.
My father told me the following quote, "To error is human, to blame someone else is more human."
billvon 3,116
>I think the point made within DZ.COM often is that conservatives are a bunch of
>Hay-Seed-Hick dumb asses and the Dems are the educated ones that know best on
>how to spend money
Hmm. And here I thought republicans were the hard-working backbone of america who gave and gave until they had nothing more to give, and democrats were the out-of-work drug using welfare queens who just keep voting for free Obamaphones and big screen welfare TV's.
>Hay-Seed-Hick dumb asses and the Dems are the educated ones that know best on
>how to spend money
Hmm. And here I thought republicans were the hard-working backbone of america who gave and gave until they had nothing more to give, and democrats were the out-of-work drug using welfare queens who just keep voting for free Obamaphones and big screen welfare TV's.
I remember being a kid. California was the model of a well run, efficient state with great ease of business.
If I can point to the moment when I think things changed, it was 1979. The Dills Act. Signed into law by then Gov. (And now Gov) Jerry Brown. Interestingly, Gov. Brown now gets to try to deal with it.
He hasn't. He's now talking about having a budget surplus. This because he's not putting money into the pensions.
Note: check out the problems with the Post Office. The budget issues they have. The reason is because Congress required them to fund the the pensions and retirement benefits so that the mandate is funded. The USPS and the unions don't like it - they want to "pay as you go" so they can have more discretionary money to spend on wage increases, etc.
The USPS is, of course, an example of what is needed for all of these programs. Hurt now or hurt more later.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
If I can point to the moment when I think things changed, it was 1979. The Dills Act. Signed into law by then Gov. (And now Gov) Jerry Brown. Interestingly, Gov. Brown now gets to try to deal with it.
He hasn't. He's now talking about having a budget surplus. This because he's not putting money into the pensions.
Note: check out the problems with the Post Office. The budget issues they have. The reason is because Congress required them to fund the the pensions and retirement benefits so that the mandate is funded. The USPS and the unions don't like it - they want to "pay as you go" so they can have more discretionary money to spend on wage increases, etc.
The USPS is, of course, an example of what is needed for all of these programs. Hurt now or hurt more later.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
So does this mean the Detroit Lions will go away now?
Don
I say: fuck it all, let each state pay its own way. If Michigan wants extensive "liberal" programs to keep Detroit from rioting, let them pay for it. If California wants tons of green technology, let them pay for it. If Arizona wants big walls and big guns at the border, let them pay for it.
Push everything we can back down to the state level. Dissolve as many federal programs as possible. Federal funds should be to build our roads, defend our borders, and... well, that's about it.
Elvisio "snowball's chance in hell" Rodriguez
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