DOMA Struck Down

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billvon

>North can still be your daughter's name. It just now also means the direction towards the North Pole. How does that "destroy the sanctity" of her name?

yeah, but if your child's name consists of two directions, you should send them to school with backup lunch money

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turtlespeed

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Every argument you raise can be countered by reversing the affected.

Except it can't, because in the reverse there are no affected.

Allowing gay marriage and calling it marriage has no effect whatsoever on straight marriage or what it is called.

So, you can read the minds of every straight married couple, and know explicitly what harm has and has not been done. Did you suddenly grow Kallend's clairvoyance/time machine?

Why won't you answer my question?

For the third time of asking:

How, exactly, could someone force a lack of morality on you, Turtle?

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[kallend 2,117]

LyraM45

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Every argument you raise can be countered by reversing the affected.

Except it can't, because in the reverse there are no affected.

Allowing gay marriage and calling it marriage has no effect whatsoever on straight marriage or what it is called.

So, you can read the minds of every straight married couple, and know explicitly what harm has and has not been done. Did you suddenly grow Kallend's clairvoyance/time machine?

Well, lets sample straight people here. What rights have you lost since gays have been allowed to marry? Or what kind of harm has come to you?

None, and none.

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[billvon 3,090]

>How, exactly, could someone force a lack of morality on you, Turtle?

They could discover a new species of turtle with leathery backs. By naming those "turtles" as well it would destroy the sanctity of turtles; indeed, they'd be trying to change the definition of the word! With no understanding of what his own name meant, he'd be cast into a hellish amoral world of turtle bestiality and sex with inanimate objects.

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billvon

>OK - Hypothetically, your hypothetical daughter is named "North". There are hundreds
>of years of very intense heritage and reason for why your hypothetical daughter is
>named "North". In fact, it is an integral base to your relationship with her and your
>Husband. But, the government decided
>that North can no longer mean what "North" meant before.

North can still be your daughter's name. It just now also means the direction towards the North Pole. How does that "destroy the sanctity" of her name?

It meant that before - that was the definition, now it means the direction 180 degrees from that ddirection - or possibly only 90 degrees . . . does it affect anything then?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,571]

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Does that make a difference to you at that point?

How could it? You're still called North, she's still called North, you can all still get together at Thanksgiving and stand facing north... nothing's changed.

But what happens when she gets married to a man named South, and following normal tradition takes his surname? Do you still love your daughter now she's called South, or is your relationship irreparably damaged?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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billvon

>How, exactly, could someone force a lack of morality on you, Turtle?

They could discover a new species of turtle with leathery backs. By naming those "turtles" as well it would destroy the sanctity of turtles; indeed, they'd be trying to change the definition of the word! With no understanding of what his own name meant, he'd be cast into a hellish amoral world of turtle bestiality and sex with inanimate objects.

Are you saying that homosexuals are a different species?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***>So, you can read the minds of every straight married couple, and know explicitly what
>harm has and has not been done.

Yep. Same way we read the minds of every same-race couple and knew explicitly that no harm was done by allowing interracial marriage. Even though conservatives whined about that, too.

So there is a homosexual RACE now?

There are a bunch of them. The Provincetown 5k, for example.

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jakee

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Does that make a difference to you at that point?

How could it? You're still called North, she's still called North, you can all still get together at Thanksgiving and stand facing north... nothing's changed.

But what happens when she gets married to a man named South, and following normal tradition takes his surname? Do you still love your daughter now she's called South, or is your relationship irreparably damaged?

I used North as an example because of the new baby "North West"

I suppose I shouldn't have tried to be so tongue in cheek, y'all just miss it.

Say the name is actually "Barack" ... ( Biblical: a valiant warrior who cooperated with the prophetess Deborah to win victory in a battle against overwhelming odds ) and the first born has been named Barack for 40 generations and it is held sacred by the family.

Now the government decided that Barack now means Black President.

Only Bigots will be offended by this. Right?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,090]

>It meant that before - that was the definition, now it means the direction 180 degrees
>from that ddirection - or possibly only 90 degrees . . . does it affect anything then?

Uh, no. It was her name. Now it is a name and a direction.

Now, she could get all bent out of shape. How DARE someone use her name for something when she should be able to own it! But kids get over things like that.

[billvon 3,090]

>Are you saying that homosexuals are a different species?

Nope. Neither are leatherback turtles.

[jakee 1,571]

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I used North as an example because of the new baby "North West"

I suppose I shouldn't have tried to be so tongue in cheek, y'all just miss it.

I would've missed it anyway - I've never heard of that baby.

And in all seriousness, it's difficult to tell your tongue in cheek arguments from your real ones. They both tend to use the same logic.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,090]

>Now the government decided that Barack now means Black President.

A gay marriage is A marriage. Barack is A black president.

Imagine how stupid the government would sound if they said "you can't call yourself Barack if you're a black President! That's reserved for whites."

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billvon

>Are you saying that homosexuals are a different species?

Nope. Neither are leatherback turtles.

Focus people, FOCUS!

We're talking about how the gays are destroying marriage! Just last night, I didn't know how to call my wife! Karen, or Bob?

Remster

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billvon

>It meant that before - that was the definition, now it means the direction 180 degrees
>from that ddirection - or possibly only 90 degrees . . . does it affect anything then?

Uh, no. It was her name. Now it is a name and a direction.

Now, she could get all bent out of shape. How DARE someone use her name for something when she should be able to own it! But kids get over things like that.

And what about the past 40 generations, 3 still living and the future generations which have been robbed of a legacy?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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billvon

>Now the government decided that Barack now means Black President.

A gay marriage is A marriage. Barack is A black president.

Imagine how stupid the government would sound if they said "you can't call yourself Barack if you're a black President! That's reserved for whites."

THAT is kind of my point.
The government shouldn't be in the middle of it.

Not only should it have not defined it in the first place, it shouldn't have re defined it again.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,090]

>The government shouldn't be in the middle of it.

Agreed! And if they had said "do whatever you want, we won't get involved" then that would have been an even better solution.

However, the government does get involved. They offer hundreds of benefits, rights and privileges to married couples that they do not offer to single people. And until they change that, they have to give everyone equal rights under the law.

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turtlespeed

In the absence of any such amendment, however, marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution at any point. More information is available on the Marriage Topic Page.

The Constitution also does not specify that gays have 1st amendment rights to pick their religion or to exercise in free speech, or own guns as illustrated in the 2nd.

"The People" have these rights, as well as to marry the person of their choice. All that has changed now is we removed a "but them" clause that went against the nature of freedom in the first place.

[jakee 1,571]

turtlespeed

***>It meant that before - that was the definition, now it means the direction 180 degrees
>from that ddirection - or possibly only 90 degrees . . . does it affect anything then?

Uh, no. It was her name. Now it is a name and a direction.

Now, she could get all bent out of shape. How DARE someone use her name for something when she should be able to own it! But kids get over things like that.

And what about the past 40 generations, 3 still living and the future generations which have been robbed of a legacy?

They haven't. They can still call each other whatever they want, for whatever reason.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,571]

turtlespeed

***>Now the government decided that Barack now means Black President.

A gay marriage is A marriage. Barack is A black president.

Imagine how stupid the government would sound if they said "you can't call yourself Barack if you're a black President! That's reserved for whites."

THAT is kind of my point.


It really isn't.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So there is a homosexual RACE now?

Indeed there is.

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jakee

******>It meant that before - that was the definition, now it means the direction 180 degrees
>from that ddirection - or possibly only 90 degrees . . . does it affect anything then?

Uh, no. It was her name. Now it is a name and a direction.

Now, she could get all bent out of shape. How DARE someone use her name for something when she should be able to own it! But kids get over things like that.

And what about the past 40 generations, 3 still living and the future generations which have been robbed of a legacy?

They haven't. They can still call each other whatever they want, for whatever reason.

Sure they have. They have been robbed of the legacy of discriminating against a proportion of the population. Much like the slavers were robbed of their legacy.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[billvon 3,090]

>And what about the past 40 generations, 3 still living and the future generations which
>have been robbed of a legacy?

Good thing they didn't call their daughter "Starbuck" or "Google" or "Twitter." Just think of all the robbing of legacies that would have gone on then . . . . it would destroy the sanctity of, well, uh, family values.

[billvon 3,090]

>We're talking about how the gays are destroying marriage! Just last
>night, I didn't know how to call my wife! Karen, or Bob?

And I bet you are having more trouble avoiding your desire to marry household appliances . . . . .

BTW tell Bob Andy says hello.

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billvon

>We're talking about how the gays are destroying marriage! Just last
>night, I didn't know how to call my wife! Karen, or Bob?

And I bet you are having more trouble avoiding your desire to marry household appliances . . . . .

BTW tell Bob Andy says hello.

Crazy how people make such a big deal about the right to get married. Just wait till they learn about rights when it's time for the divorce and over half will learn about those rights after being married. But wait.... OH my god the liberals are already justifying gay marriage with their new reporting about how gays have low divorce rates just a few days after being given the right to marry. Come on Huffy Post, give them at least a year married to issue a report...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/gay-marriage_n_3513028.html