DOMA Struck Down

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turtlespeed

***From Wikipedia:

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. described bigotry in the following quotation: "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."

The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie (bigotry) in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". This meaning still survives in Italian, in the cognate word bigotto. The exact origin of the word is unknown, but it may have come from the German bei and Gott, or the English by God.

And don't we just see that here!

Glad you can finally admit it, John. Wow, we seem to be agreeing more and more.

You are reverting to the Josef Goebbels style of debate, I see.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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I didn't read the rest of the post - or much of the thread any more. But I caught this sentence and am wondering if the 24,000 mile route is by SPACE ROCKET. COOOOOOL

You're right, that would be exceedingly cool. I was thinking more along the lines of "by camel". Single hump, of course.

Agreed about the thread running it's course too.

Have a fun 4th, y'all.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[jakee 1,595]

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And y'all think I am close minded?

No one's called you close minded. You've called lots of other people close minded, and according to the criteria you presented to make that judgement you must think that you are close minded also.

(I love it when people complain about being the victim of a completely imagined insult when it's the exact same insult they've been throwing at others. Fucking brilliant.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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labrys

You know what cracks me up? Some of the chicken little types around here who cry "America is going to hell, soon the federal government will be forcing military chaplains to marry dogs and toasters...blah blah blah"

They make shit up like "There's nothing that federal recognition of marriage can give anyone that can't be obtained through other legal ways" As soon as someone points out little things like, say, Social Security benefits and estate taxes, etc they start sobbing for the children who's lives will be ruined.

Show them a study that says that the children of same sex marriages are doing just fine and they start wringing their hands over non existent federal laws that will force chaplains to give blow jobs to retired gay veterans.

They're like whuffos in a bar telling someone that they're a shit hot skydiver... but couldn't tell you the difference between a pilot chute and a bootie. They forget that there a real, actual gay people around here.

Jeeze, no one has forgotten the gays. How could you forget? They are so out there kissing each other, depicted on TV, shoved in our faces etc., going to court, proffering referendums etc. We know your're there. Soon you will have the same benefits as anyone else and then perhaps we'll hear little from gay's. Perhaps then Gay Pride Parades will be a thing of the past. In fact, I don't know what the hold up is to give gays the same rights as man and wife couples? Let the gay guy couple adopt a boy scout troop. Who cares!

[jakee 1,595]

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Just like you are attacking me for having a ever so slightly different view from yours, that is a form of persecution.

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That's insane self-pitying bullshit. And that's not persecution either.

It's funny how incredibly thin-skinned and sensitive you are to any perceived slight or injustice against yourself, yet your entrance into this thread was to tell gay people to man the fuck up and not bother complaining about what you agreed was a real and unjust inequality against them.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,116]

>They are so out there kissing each other, depicted on TV, shoved in our faces etc.

Lot more straights getting in people's faces kissing and groping each other in public.

> going to court, proffering referendums etc.

Fortunately there's less need for that due to the DOMA decision. So that's a good thing.

>Soon you will have the same benefits as anyone else and then perhaps we'll hear
>little from gay's.

That is the goal, although I think you'll still hear from gays. Personally I will still hear from a dozen or so who I consider friends.

> Perhaps then Gay Pride Parades will be a thing of the past.

Perhaps. Although given the examples of St. Patrick's Day, Mardi Gras, Thanksgiving parades etc they may still have them. People seem to like having parades.

[jakee 1,595]

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But you don't have the right to spout off and arbitrarily say that my opinion is wrong... "just cause"

You're wrong. We absolutely do have that right, both in the wider context of human rights and in the narower context of the rules of this forum.

But it's a moot point, because we haven't been doing it.

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That is demonstrating the typical knee jerk reactionary comment from a close minded person.

Stomping the feet, nose in the air, arms crossed, looking away, "YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG" Waa waa waaaaaaaaaa.

You're wrong.

Several people (not just me) have pointed out the logical inconsistency in your explanation of your opinion. We've not just said you're wrong, we've said why we think you're wrong. And how have you responded to that? You've completely ignored it.

If you pride yourself on being the only open minded person here, why are you too scared to critically evaluate your own opinion?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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billvon

>They are so out there kissing each other, depicted on TV, shoved in our faces etc.

Lot more straights getting in people's faces kissing and groping each other in public.

> going to court, proffering referendums etc.

Fortunately there's less need for that due to the DOMA decision. So that's a good thing.

>Soon you will have the same benefits as anyone else and then perhaps we'll hear
>little from gay's.

That is the goal, although I think you'll still hear from gays. Personally I will still hear from a dozen or so who I consider friends.

> Perhaps then Gay Pride Parades will be a thing of the past.

Perhaps. Although given the examples of St. Patrick's Day, Mardi Gras, Thanksgiving parades etc they may still have them. People seem to like having parades.

Damm micks. Shoving their Guinness down our throats.

Remster

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>Shoving their Guinness down our throats.

And waving their disgusting green foamy hats in our faces. No one wants to see that.

The US is supposed to be a melting pot. So melt already!

[jakee 1,595]

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They are so out there kissing each other, depicted on TV, shoved in our faces etc.,

Those devious bastards, thinking they can go around kissing each other just to piss you off! Why someone oughtta...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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They are so out there kissing each other, depicted on TV, shoved in our faces etc.,

Those devious bastards, thinking they can go around kissing each other just to piss you off! Why someone oughtta...

Oh from the days of the piss and leather guys, the baths, the flagrant sex, doing poppers in the disco, to now all grown up married dudes who now want to act like man a wife. Lucky I don't have to flaunt loving my wife in public in front of TV cameras to make a point.

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>Lucky I don't have to flaunt loving my wife in public in front of TV cameras to make a point.

Right. That's reserved for Kanye and Kim, Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck, Justin and Jennifer Aniston, Kobe and Vanessa . . . .

[jakee 1,595]

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Oh from the days of the piss and leather guys, the baths, the flagrant sex, doing poppers in the disco,

Gay people do drugs in nightclubs? And they think they can get away with this completely abnormal behaviour? Why someone oughtta...

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to now all grown up married dudes who now want to act like man a wife. Lucky I don't have to flaunt loving my wife in public in front of TV cameras to make a point.

You are either the best troll ever or something I'm not allowed to say. You're walking the line that's right on the edge of whether I can believe you're truly that oblivious to the world around you.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You are either the best troll ever or something I'm not allowed to say.

Just don't tell him to suck your dick. You actually have one.

Owned by Remi #?

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labrys

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You are either the best troll ever or something I'm not allowed to say.

Just don't tell him to suck your dick. You actually have one.

I noticed that no one commented on my Scooby doo post. Why is that?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Remster

******It has nothing to do with opinion. You're wrong.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519#.UdO1Sr4o7IU
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904267%2C16143171%2C12836730%2C10763427%2C9549243?dopt=DocSum

Makes a good case for pro-choice, does it not?

Wow. I've been around dz.com a while, is this is one of the most disgusting thing I've read here.

I thought the same thing when I read that. I wasn't sure if nobody said anything because he managed to get it in under the radar or because people have just come to expect comments like that from him. Either way, it was about as hateful a statement as I have heard around here. Guess that is just the good Christian in him.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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okalb

*********It has nothing to do with opinion. You're wrong.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519#.UdO1Sr4o7IU
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904267%2C16143171%2C12836730%2C10763427%2C9549243?dopt=DocSum

Makes a good case for pro-choice, does it not?

Wow. I've been around dz.com a while, is this is one of the most disgusting thing I've read here.

I thought the same thing when I read that. I wasn't sure if nobody said anything because he managed to get it in under the radar or because people have just come to expect comments like that from him. Either way, it was about as hateful a statement as I have heard around here. Guess that is just the good Christian in him.

Let me pose a thought, what is the difference when fetuses are aborted for gender?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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The voters of California voted to not recognize gay marriage. That is the democratic process at work. The court just overturned the will of the voters. Is that justice? (Again, devils advocate for arguments sake here)

To lend that argument some perspective: That is precisely the argument used in the Deep South against civil rights rulings by federal courts and legislation by Congress in the 60's.

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Let me add to my comment above. I am pro-life and believe that abortion is evil, regardless of the reason. I did not reach this position because I am a Christian but rather I agreed to have my child aborted when I was a liberal, for convenience and the avoidance of responsibility, in 1971. That decision tormented me for years.

The point of my original comment to stevebabin is that progressive liberals conflict themselves by their values and practices. And then they have no one to blame but themselves.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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The point of my original comment to stevebabin is that progressive liberals conflict themselves by their values and practices.

Indeed, nuance can be a bitch. Thinking things through, weighing pros and cons, considering that other people may have human rights, that all takes too much effort. Stimulus/response one-size-fits-every-situation is so much easier, even bacteria can do it.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 62]

GeorgiaDon

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The point of my original comment to stevebabin is that progressive liberals conflict themselves by their values and practices.

Indeed, nuance can be a bitch. Thinking things through, weighing pros and cons, considering that other people may have human rights, that all takes too much effort. Stimulus/response one-size-fits-every-situation is so much easier, even bacteria can do it.

Don

You being one of the few people here who actually thinks through your response postings.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

progressive liberals conflict themselves by their values and practices.

So do conservatives, in their own way. This FoxNews-ian obsession with vilifying of "liberals" contributes absolutely nothing to the national conversation other than divisiveness. It is petty sloganeering at the expense of thought, analysis and discourse.

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Andy9o8

*** progressive liberals conflict themselves by their values and practices.

So do conservatives, in their own way. This FoxNews-ian obsession with vilifying of "liberals" contributes absolutely nothing to the national conversation other than divisiveness. It is petty sloganeering at the expense of thought, analysis and discourse.

No argument from me on that one, even though I am a strong conservative desiring less government control and a decrease in obscene spending. We both know it will not likely change. Generally, it provides the fodder for spirited discussion with flaming comments. In my world, we call it encounter group therapy.

One of the goals in my new life is to stop watching TV news altogether. Right now my only outside contact is DSL with Hulu Plus for TV. I pick up the headlines on the Internet. I'll know when the riots start and that is all I need.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,116]

>Would the homosexual community be offended if I demanded that I, as a straight
>person, be included in all their special events? Demanded that a "Straight Pride Parade"
>be held? Or, heaven forbid, a White Pride Month, or Straight Pride Month?

Ask and you shall receive!


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Family Research Council to launch ‘Ex-Gay Pride Month’

By David Knowles / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 10:01 PM

The famously anti-gay group is planning a dinner in Washington, D.C., for ‘former homosexuals’ to celebrate no longer having same-sex attractions. The group has invited the lightning rod Rep. Michele Bachmann to speak at the event and want President Obama to issue a proclamation recognizing Ex-Gay Pride Month.

Christopher Doyle, M.A., psychotherapist, educator, and author is the Director of the International Healing Foundation (IHF), a non-profit organization that since 1990, has helped thousands of individuals and families struggling with sexual orientation. He is also the Co-Founder and Acting Director of Voice of the Voiceless, the only anti-defamation league for former homosexuals, individuals with unwanted same-sex attractions, and their families.

Christopher Doyle is the director of Voice of the Voiceless, which bills itself as the "only anti-defamation league for former homosexuals, individuals with unwanted same-sex attractions, and their families."

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If you can’t beat them, imitate them.

Stung by a recent advances made the gay rights movement, the Family Research Council plans to host what it calls an “Ex-Gay Pride Month” dinner in Washington, D.C., in July, and has invited Rep. Michele Bachmann and other foes of same-sex marriage to speak.

A longtime opponent of gay rights, the Family Research Council is also launching two new groups — Voice of the Voiceless, and Equality and Justice For All — to promote the proposed July 31 “Ex-Gay Pride Month.”

“This will be a historic day for ex-gays across the country as we unite on Capitol Hill to lobby Congress to recognize former homosexuals,” Christopher Doyle, co-founder and president of Voice of the Voiceless, said in a press release. “Now that former homosexuals are a protected class against discrimination in Washington, D.C., this opens up the door for our unique stories to be heard and achievements recognized as we celebrate the First Annual Ex-Gay Pride Month!”
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Stung by a recent advances made the gay rights movement, the Family Research Council plans to host what it calls an “Ex-Gay Pride Month” dinner in Washington, D.C., in July, and has invited Rep. Michele Bachmann and other foes of same-sex marriage to speak.

A conference of "ex-gays"?

Well... they'll have a whole year to stock up on Boy Butter and practice their wide stances in the stalls.

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