Texas proves once again..

[skinnay 0]

..you don't have to move to Saudi Arabia to live in a desert shithole.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130625-chaos-erupts-in-texas-senate-over-abortion-measure.ece?ssimg=1077305#ssStory1076108

[quade 4]

Total shenanigans.

https://twitter.com/bergopolis/status/349773672598347776

I don't care if you're pro or anti, time doesn't change just because you want it to.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 2,146]

Great job by Sen. Davis.

Republicans need to end their obsession with womens' reproductive organs.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[BIGUN 1,483]

kallend

Great job by Sen. Davis.

Republicans need to end their obsession with womens' reproductive organs.

And Democrats really need to end their hypocrisy with ending the Death Penalty for convicted felons; but favoring it for unborn children.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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BIGUN

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Great job by Sen. Davis.

Republicans need to end their obsession with womens' reproductive organs.

And Democrats really need to end their hypocrisy with ending the Death Penalty for convicted felons; but favoring it for unborn children.

But . . . But . . . Babies didn't kill anyone and therefore must die!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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skinnay

..you don't have to move to Saudi Arabia to live in a desert shithole.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130625-chaos-erupts-in-texas-senate-over-abortion-measure.ece?ssimg=1077305#ssStory1076108

You do realise that the bill didn't pass, right?

Your point is pretty mute.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

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You do realise that the bill didn't pass, right?

Your point is pretty mute.

It didn't pass for purely procedural reasons. I predict they'll pass it pretty soon, even if it means closing the gallery so protesters can't interfere.

And it's a BS law. They pulled the same shit in Virginia, but they did it through the Board of Health instead of the legislature. The BOH decided that clinics that offer abortion needed to conform to the same building standards as full sized hospitals, which effectively shut them all down. Of course, they sold it as concern for the health of the mother, but it was just taking a backdoor to banning abortion without having the political power to do it through legitimate means. Texas is using the same tactic by requiring crazy hurdles for abortion doctors to meet before they can practice.

Either way, it'll get struck down by the Feds. It will just waste everyone's time and money, and probably endanger a few hundred pregnant women in the meantime.

- Dan G

[kallend 2,146]

turtlespeed

***..you don't have to move to Saudi Arabia to live in a desert shithole.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130625-chaos-erupts-in-texas-senate-over-abortion-measure.ece?ssimg=1077305#ssStory1076108

You do realise that the bill didn't pass, right?

Your point is pretty mute.

Did you possibly mean "moot"?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Channman 2]

>"Texas is using the same tactic by requiring crazy hurdles for abortion doctors to meet before they can practice."

Texas is taking a page for the IRS play book...that page was so effective against Tea Party organizations, hell it should work with shuttng down Abortion Providers.

Make em meet a higher standard, it only seems fair.

[Channman 2]

>"...endanger a few hundred pregnant women in the meantime."

Not sure how it endagers hundreds of pregnant women? Are there not Hospitals through out Texas that can help a women that is pregnant. These's very institutions provide survices to thousands of women that are pregnant every day.

[DanG 1]

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Are there not Hospitals through out Texas that can help a women that is pregnant.

Not if she wants to exercise her Constitutional right to have an abortion.

- Dan G

[Channman 2]

DanG

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Are there not Hospitals through out Texas that can help a women that is pregnant.

Not if she wants to exercise her Constitutional right to have an abortion.

Are you referencing the Bastardisation of our Constitution as in Roe Vs Wade and the Due Process Clause of the 14th?

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DanG

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Are there not Hospitals through out Texas that can help a women that is pregnant.

Not if she wants to exercise her Constitutional right to have an abortion.

Hospitals won't or can't handle a currently legal abortion?
I don't get it.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[DanG 1]

Roe Vs Wade, it's the law of the land. Don't like it, amend the Constitution. Don't try to backdoor it with BS doctor qualifications and building codes.

It's like saying, "Sure, all handguns are legal, you just have to qualify 100/100 at 200 yrds with your eyes closed. You know, for safety."

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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Hospitals won't or can't handle a currently legal abortion?
I don't get it.

It doesn't matter. If an activity is legal and has been found to be a Constitutional right by the Supreme Court, like abortion, the state shouldn't put up barriers to exercising it.

What if there were only one hospital in the state allowed to perform an abortion? Would that be fair?

What if there were only one gun dealer allowed to be licensed in the state? Still fair?

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

What if there were only one hospital in the state allowed to perform an abortion? Would that be fair?

What if there were only one gun dealer allowed to be licensed in the state? Still fair?

tangential comment here (I agree with your comment, FYI)


the answer to both question is -
1 - if driven by the market? - YES
2 - if driven by legislative subjectiveness and pissery? - NO

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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DanG

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You do realise that the bill didn't pass, right?

Your point is pretty mute.

It didn't pass for purely procedural reasons. I predict they'll pass it pretty soon, even if it means closing the gallery so protesters can't interfere.

And it's a BS law. They pulled the same shit in Virginia, but they did it through the Board of Health instead of the legislature. The BOH decided that clinics that offer abortion needed to conform to the same building standards as full sized hospitals, which effectively shut them all down. Of course, they sold it as concern for the health of the mother, but it was just taking a backdoor to banning abortion without having the political power to do it through legitimate means. Texas is using the same tactic by requiring crazy hurdles for abortion doctors to meet before they can practice.

Either way, it'll get struck down by the Feds. It will just waste everyone's time and money, and probably endanger a few hundred pregnant women in the meantime.

So . . . more regulations and safety procedures for doctors is going to endanger people. Are you saying that government oversight of doctors is a bad thing?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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DanG

Roe Vs Wade, it's the law of the land. Don't like it, amend the Constitution. Don't try to backdoor it with BS doctor qualifications and building codes.

It's like saying, "Sure, all handguns are legal, you just have to qualify 100/100 at 200 yrds with your eyes closed. You know, for safety."

Let me ask you this . . . were you pleased how they got ACA to pass?

Or is that just a convenient back door?

And yes, John, it was supposed to be "moot", but I wasn't paying attention as I should have been.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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popsjumper

Hospitals won't or can't handle a currently legal abortion?
I don't get it.

If it can be and is safely performed in an outpatient clinic why should the government dictate that it be done at a more expensive and less available facility?

I thought Republicans were supposed to encourage the free market?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[DanG 1]

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Let me ask you this . . . were you pleased how they got ACA to pass?

Or is that just a convenient back door?

By having a majority of both houses on Congress vote aye, signed by the President, and reviewed and approved by the Supreme Court? Doesn't seem like a backdoor to me.

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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So . . . more regulations and safety procedures for doctors is going to endanger people. Are you saying that government oversight of doctors is a bad thing?

If the state showed that there was an actual increase in the danger to women by having abortions performed by doctors who do not have admitting privleges in hospitals less than 30 miles away? That would be fine. AFAIK, they didn't show that, they just came up with something that most if not all doctors couldn't pass, and then said it was for safety. It's BS and everyone knows it.

- Dan G

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DanG

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You do realise that the bill didn't pass, right?

Your point is pretty mute.

It didn't pass for purely procedural reasons. I predict they'll pass it pretty soon, even if it means closing the gallery so protesters can't interfere.

And it's a BS law. They pulled the same shit in Virginia, but they did it through the Board of Health instead of the legislature. The BOH decided that clinics that offer abortion needed to conform to the same building standards as full sized hospitals, which effectively shut them all down. Of course, they sold it as concern for the health of the mother, but it was just taking a backdoor to banning abortion without having the political power to do it through legitimate means. Texas is using the same tactic by requiring crazy hurdles for abortion doctors to meet before they can practice.

Either way, it'll get struck down by the Feds. It will just waste everyone's time and money, and probably endanger a few hundred pregnant women in the meantime.

Rick Perry had called them back into special session on July 1st to pass the bill. Presumably they need a few days to clean up confetti after they celebrate their 500th execution tonight.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Bring on the morning after pill to end this silly stupid BS argument that really needs to end. LET the docs and patients decide matters. Really.

[airtwardo 7]

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Rick Perry had called them back into special session on July 1st to pass the bill. Presumably they need a few days to clean up confetti after they celebrate their 500th execution tonight.

Blues,
Dave

They're finally executing that woman who killed 3 people?

So much for SWIFT justice...we'll have to work on that.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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Go Texas.

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