turtlespeed 226 #51 June 14, 2013 jcd11235***Again - Show me where that is their policy. I already did. Perhaps a quoted text then?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #52 June 14, 2013 turtlespeed******Again - Show me where that is their policy. I already did. Perhaps a quoted text then? Why bother? There's nothing to suggest the student's audio was cut because of its content. The onus is on you to make the case that that is what happened.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #53 June 14, 2013 jcd11235 ***Ah yes the whole reading comprehension trouble again.It was their own policies that I posted from their own website. The principal, faculty and staff did not follow those policies. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If you read carefully, you'll see that the policy you posted isn't applicable to the situation. If you can show us how he submitted the speech he delivered, and that submission was rejected, then you might have a point (though first amendment considerations would trump district policy if the student was trying to deliver a sermon). From the student Handbook - Quote Graduation Speakers Certain graduating students will be given an opportunity to have speaking roles at graduation ceremonies. A student must meet local eligibility criteria, which may include requirements related to student conduct, to have a speaking role. Students eligible for speaking roles will be notified by the principal and given an opportunity to volunteer. [See FNA(LOCAL) and the Student Code of Conduct.] Do you see the reference to FNA(GLOBAL)? From FNA(GLOBAL) - Quote In addition to the students giving the opening and closing remarks, the valedictorian, salutorian and class historian shall have speaking portions in the graduation ceremony. Class officers may also have speaking roles at graduation ceremonies. For each speaker, the District shall set a maximum time limit reasonable and appropriate to the occasion and to the position held by the speaker. For this purpose, the District creates a limited public forum for these students to deliver the addresses. The subject of the addresses shall be related to the purpose of the graduation ceremony, marking and honoring the occasion, honoring the participants and those in attendance, and the student's perspective on purpose, achievement, life, school, graduation, and looking forward to the future. The student shall stay on the subject, and the student shall not engage in speech that: The student shall stay on the subject, and the student shall not engage in speech that: • Is obscene, vulgar, offensively lewd, or indecent; • Creates reasonable cause to believe that the speech would result in material and substantial interference with school activities or the rights of others; • Promotes illegal drug use; • Violates the intellectual property rights, privacy rights, or other rights of another person; • Contains defamatory statements about public figures or others; or • Advocates imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The District shall treat a student's voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, on an otherwise permissible subject in the same manner the District treats a student's voluntary expression of a secular or other viewpoint on an otherwise permissible subject and shall not discriminate against the student based on a religious viewpoint expressed by the student on an otherwise permissible subject. Below is also from FNA(Global) and policy, but was NOT done. Another violation of their policy. Quote A written disclaimer shall be printed in the graduation program that states, "The students who shall be speaking at the graduation ceremony were selected based on neutral criteria to deliver messages of the students' own choices. The content of each student speaker's message is the private expression of the individual student and does not reflect the endorsement, sponsorship, position, or expression of the District." I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #54 June 14, 2013 jcd11235*********Again - Show me where that is their policy. I already did. Perhaps a quoted text then? Why bother? Because you can't, and you didn't.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #55 June 14, 2013 Where is your evidence that the principal is a liberal? Why are you avoiding the question?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #56 June 14, 2013 What the student did wrong is right there in your quoted passages. "The subject of the addresses shall be related to the purpose of the graduation ceremony, marking and honoring the occasion, honoring the participants and those in attendance, and the student's perspective on purpose, achievement, life, school, graduation, and looking forward to the future. … The District shall treat a student's voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, on an otherwise permissible subject in the same manner the District treats a student's voluntary expression of a secular or other viewpoint on an otherwise permissible subject and shall not discriminate against the student based on a religious viewpoint expressed by the student on an otherwise permissible subject." It appears the student was wrong, in more ways than one, and the principal acted properly.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 June 14, 2013 kallend Where is your evidence that the principal is a liberal? Why are you avoiding the question? It's impossible to prove. Even if he admits it, it's still not proven.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #58 June 14, 2013 turtlespeed*** Where is your evidence that the principal is a liberal? Why are you avoiding the question? It's impossible to prove. Even if he admits it, it's still not proven. Didn't ask for proof. Just asked for evidence. Apparently you have none. Based on circumstantial evidence (upbringing, education, residence, appointment process) it's more likely he is a conservative.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 June 14, 2013 jcd11235What the student did wrong is right there in your quoted passages. "The subject of the addresses shall be related to the purpose of the graduation ceremony, marking and honoring the occasion, honoring the participants and those in attendance, and the student's perspective on purpose, achievement, life, school, graduation, and looking forward to the future. … The District shall treat a student's voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, on an otherwise permissible subject in the same manner the District treats a student's voluntary expression of a secular or other viewpoint on an otherwise permissible subject and shall not discriminate against the student based on a religious viewpoint expressed by the student on an otherwise permissible subject." It appears the student was wrong, in more ways than one, and the principal acted properly. Were you huk'd hon fonix? or did you just stop reading? Quoteand shall not discriminate against the student based on a religious viewpoint expressed by the student on an otherwise permissible subject. The student did nothing wrong. The staff violated his rights by forcing him to create a speech that he did not want to give. Why aren't you defending the school about the disclaimer?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #60 June 14, 2013 turtlespeedThe staff violated his rights by forcing him to create a speech that he did not want to give. There is no evidence of that. All that we know is that the speech he tried to deliver was different from the speech he submitted, and that the student speakers knew that any deviation from speeches submitted would result in their audio being cut. If you can provide some evidence that there was more to it than that, then there might be something worth discussing. Without any such evidence, it's a non-story.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #61 June 14, 2013 jcd11235***The staff violated his rights by forcing him to create a speech that he did not want to give. There is no evidence of that. All that we know is that the speech he tried to deliver was different from the speech he submitted, and that the student speakers knew that any deviation from speeches submitted would result in their audio being cut. If you can provide some evidence that there was more to it than that, then there might be something worth discussing. Without any such evidence, it's a non-story. And the OP's thread title is simply without merit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #62 June 14, 2013 kallendAnd the OP's thread title is simply without merit. Agreed. There's no evidence to suggest the principal is a liberal or that politics played any role at all in the student's audio being cut.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #63 June 14, 2013 jcd11235***And the OP's thread title is simply without merit. Agreed. There's no evidence to suggest the principal is a liberal or that politics played any role at all in the student's audio being cut. I suspect the implied message is that a Liberal mindset, even when not political, is one that is in favor of harsh control of free speech. (thus the principal, whether he calls himself liberal or not, is still demonstrating Liberal values by being a spiteful censor. Perhaps he also enjoys the use of a censer as well - you never can tell with Liberals.) You may counter that the student is petulant and imply that not meeting a contracted agreement is a Conservative mindset (possibly he earlier stated that contracts are morally important - you never can tell with Conservatives - perhaps Funjumper can fill us in on it). Kallend could even cry out "hypocrisy" in an unrelated fashion and note that a liberal breaking a contract is fine since they don't care, but since conservatives make such a big deal about them, then that matters. Since everyone is wallowing in stereotypes today. Stupid fat Americans ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #64 June 14, 2013 rehmwa Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #65 June 14, 2013 kallend *** Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Are you calling yourself Fat?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #66 June 14, 2013 kallend*** Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Do you agree that most of the people that seek profession in the education system in the united states are liberals?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #67 June 14, 2013 turtlespeed ****** Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Are you calling yourself Fat?let the man wallow ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMikeH77 0 #68 June 14, 2013 I like the Karma button idea... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #69 June 14, 2013 turtlespeed****** Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Do you agree that most of the people that seek profession in the education system in the united states are liberals? Only the smartest ones.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #70 June 14, 2013 rehmwa I suspect the implied message is that a Liberal mindset, even when not political, is one that is in favor of harsh control of free speech. (thus the principal, whether he calls himself liberal or not, is still demonstrating Liberal values by being a spiteful censor. Perhaps he also enjoys the use of a censer as well - you never can tell with Liberals.) See here? Here's somebody who can think clearly. Literals do not understand implicit statements. Yeah, they have trouble with explicit ones too but that probably comes from being fat.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #71 June 14, 2013 kallend ***Do you agree that most of the people that seek profession in the education system in the united states are liberals? Only the smartest ones. ...and then there's the ones who sneaked in the back door. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #72 June 14, 2013 Quote"A Texas high school principal threatened to sabotage a valedictorian’s appointment to the U.S. Naval Academy after the student delivered a speech that referenced God and the U.S. Constitution, the boy’s attorney alleges." "Hiram Sasser, director of litigation with the Liberty Institute, said Joshua High School principal Mick Cochran threatened to write a letter to the U.S. Naval Academy disparaging the character of Remington Reimer." "The following day the principal met with Reimer’s father and informed him “that he intended to punish Remington for his perceived misdeed.” Sounds like something a liberal would do.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #73 June 14, 2013 kallend********* Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Do you agree that most of the people that seek profession in the education system in the united states are liberals? Only the smartest ones. So are you willing to accept the possibility that he is?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #74 June 15, 2013 turtlespeed************ Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Do you agree that most of the people that seek profession in the education system in the united states are liberals? Only the smartest ones. So are you willing to accept the possibility that he is? I refer you to post #1 of this thread, and your description of him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #75 June 15, 2013 kallend*************** Stupid fat Americans Well, we agree on that. Do you agree that most of the people that seek profession in the education system in the united states are liberals? Only the smartest ones. So are you willing to accept the possibility that he is? I refer you to post #1 of this thread, and your description of him. So that is a yes.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
