Should people with the same qualifications get the same opportunities?

[wmw999 2,587]

Is this OK?

Getting better, still not there

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[turtlespeed 226]

wmw999

Is this OK?

Getting better, still not there

Wendy P.

Q. Should people with the same qualifications get the same opportunities?

A. It depends on all the other baggage that they carry.

Hypothetically, it should be - but then - what is affirmative action for?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[quade 4]

wmw999

Is this OK?

Nope. Unfortunately the subtle stuff is a lot harder to deal with because, well, it's subtle. It's not like there's a nation-wide conspiracy; it's millions of people acting as individuals each playing their own "game" of what works best for them. It's only the combined sum that you can actually point at and say, "well, that's total shit."

It's the reason fair housing and other laws need to stay intact too. Without them, it would be less subtle.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[wmw999 2,587]

Does being born black (or asian, or whatever) get included in that baggage?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Gravitymaster 0]

Sorry, I didn't want to logon to the NYT site because I'm afraid the government is spying on me. It would not surprise me to learn they are tracking me online.

[billvon 3,111]

We're tracking you here.

[turtlespeed 226]

wmw999

Does being born black (or asian, or whatever) get included in that baggage?

Wendy P.

It SHOULDN'T . . . but it does.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

billvon

We're tracking you here.

Oh My.

Are you going to be the next whistle blower?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kelpdiver 2]

wmw999

Is this OK?

Getting better, still not there

Wendy P.

"But once they arrived, they were given fewer options. Over all, black prospective renters were presented 11 percent fewer rentals than whites, Hispanics about 12 percent fewer rentals and Asians about 10 percent fewer rentals. As prospective buyers, blacks were presented 17 percent fewer homes and Asians 15 percent fewer homes, but Hispanics were given the opportunity to see roughly the same number of homes as whites. "

There's no doubt that there is still an active bias by a small percentage of the people in the industry. But there's a huge difference between 30% or 50% fewer options (1 instead of 2, 2 instead of 3) and 10-15%. which sounds to me that that for 4 of 5 people, they got the same options, and the 5th got the 1 instead of 2 treatment.

The article struggles to maintain a consistent message about how significant it is, varying between calling it substantial and seeing it for what it really is.

Maintain the laws and protections, keep doing periodic examination, and wait for the racists to die out.

[rehmwa 2]

kelpdiver

"But once they arrived, they were given fewer options. Over all, black prospective renters were presented 11 percent fewer rentals than whites, Hispanics about 12 percent fewer rentals and Asians about 10 percent fewer rentals. As prospective buyers, blacks were presented 17 percent fewer homes and Asians 15 percent fewer homes, but Hispanics were given the opportunity to see roughly the same number of homes as whites. "

Is this renting or buying?

What I take from this is one of two things:

1 - real estate agents have some odd biases or;
2 - relatively speaking, whites aren't very good at defining what they need so they get spammed with a lot more showings

of course, this is based on my personal bias that real estate agents really don't care who they take their commissions from - and that they are terrible drivers

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,465]

It is a difficult subject, one that got some press here in Canada last year.

Somebody got in trouble for posting an add looking for a female roommate. It was deemed to be an Ontario Human Rights violation since it established discrimination based on sex/gender.

[kelpdiver 2]

rehmwa

2 - relatively speaking, whites aren't very good at defining what they need so they get spammed with a lot more showings

they sent people with identical profiles and back stories, so this shouldn't be an explanation. You're left with true discrimination, and a harder to specify level of more subconscious bias (ie, a little white woman versus a 6' rastafarian).

[rehmwa 2]

agree = so my option number 1 then? evil real estate agents

(or, complicit real estate agents for sellers or associations with biased requirements)

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Gravitymaster 0]

billvon

We're tracking you here.

Aha, but the Government is watching you, tracking me.

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

Is this OK?

Getting better, still not there

Wendy P.

My experience in the social services field in the Tampa Bay Area leads me to the conclusion that Blacks fair much better than Whites in the public housing awards. They know how to work the system and Blacks are the managers within the system.

Latinos lack the system knowledge necessary. They end up with church ministry assistance. However, Hispanics, i.e., Puerto Ricans due well within the system if they deal with white managers.

However, the best system player I ever met was a white Vietnam veteran. The last I heard he and his wife were in a three bedroom, two bath home outside of Denver subsidized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Plus, that paid him a stipend to perform some service to other Indians. This income in addition to his 100% VA disability and Social Security Disability Income.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[popsjumper 2]

Gravitymaster

***We're tracking you here.

Aha, but the Government is watching you, tracking me.

...every step you take....I'll be watching you.
Ironically played by The Police.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

kelpdiver

Maintain the laws and protections, keep doing periodic examination, and wait for the racists to die out.

You can't legislate personal preferences out of existence...ain't a-gonna happen.


I wonder what the ethnic breakdown of the agents was.
Wouldn't it be hilarious of all the agents were non-white?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239