Global temps continue to fall

[ChrisD 0]

Like I said ealier, rotorical misinformation, designed to dilute and confuse.

Let's do a study.

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rehmwa 2]

ChrisD

rotorical misinformation

it's just spin

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

You brought up Sandy as an example of the effects of climate change. I brought up examples that were "worse" and set other "records."

I pointed out fact. I gave opinions to counter yours based upon facts. Perhaps I should have pointed out the Colonial Hurricane in the 1600s, which many believe to be the strongest to hit the northeast since white guys came over.

I'm pointing to historical fact and opinions on it. And pointing out that if Sandy is as bad as it gets, and that Sandy is the result of climate change, then climate change appears to have worked to spare the eastern seaboard by making storms weaker.

Yes, Sandy sucked. No, it's not the worst storm to hit there. Not by a longshot.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

The following link it to a thread started by ChrisD with an attached paper he wrote

Seems fitting here

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4488948;#4488948

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

rushmc

The following link it to a thread started by ChrisD with and attached paper he wrote

Seems fitting here

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4488948;#4488948

>“people who hold contradictory cognitions"

Damn wonder I was able to stay awake long enough to get that far. Think I'll lay down and get a short nap. I often wonder you thinks like this...I guess these things are bouncing around within their gray matter.

[billvon 3,107]

>Are yo all aware of the Alaska "Relocation Project," that is funded and takeing place as we speak?

A few years ago I was in Barrow, Alaska. You could see how fast the shore was eroding away since sea ice covered it for far less time. People were already abandoning their homes that were closer to the water.

Guess they're just "alarmists."

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Are yo all aware of the Alaska "Relocation Project," that is funded and takeing place as we speak?

A few years ago I was in Barrow, Alaska. You could see how fast the shore was eroding away since sea ice covered it for far less time. People were already abandoning their homes that were closer to the water.

Guess they're just "alarmists."

That is determined by what it to blame huh.......

Or, it is who?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

>That is determined by what it to blame huh....... Or, it is who?

"what it to blame?"

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>That is determined by what it to blame huh....... Or, it is who?

"what it to blame?"

Opps

What IS to blame

Or
as I asked, who

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

>What IS to blame . . . .as I asked, who

Wait a minute. Did you switch from Type I denier to Type II again?

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>What IS to blame . . . .as I asked, who

Wait a minute. Did you switch from Type I denier to Type II again?

Switched?

Nah

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

That's odd, since sea level hasn't gone anywhere but down in those parts. But then again, those readings have been difficult because ice keeps fouling the readings so for the past few years they've had a couple of depth gauges offshore that measure sea level by changes above.

Are you saying that erosion is worse because there isn't ice to baffle the waive action? Question: is erosion worse? Or is it like what I saw in Goleta? There the cliffs are eroded, have been eroding and will continue to erode. And those houses that were set back 40 feet from the cliff 40 years ago now have beach 30 feet below the rear deck. It was inevitable.

Obviously I don't know the answer. Have you any insight?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[ChrisD 0]

This is a quote from an eailier post:

"I'll correct myself when called out on error."


So who decides what is and isn't error in your wourld?


I love goin to school, the world spends trillions and trillions of cash on education! Education in most parts of the world is used as a weapon!

You all will accept MERs' but anything else depends upon your political inclanations!

Millions go to school, but no one listens? Why get an education when the masses of ignorance rule by the vote?


The bottom line is every one here is focusing on side issues. NO one has focused upon the fact that the cure or what methods to solve this issue???

That is the question you all should be asking,

dig a little deeper...

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[brenthutch 444]

"I love goin to school,"

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Do they teach spelling at your school?

[livendive 8]

I'm with lawrocket on this one. You can't blame global warming for a solitary weather event or for short interval weather patterns. The have always been storms, warmer years, and cooler years, and none of them are individually indicative of a trend. Collectively, sure. A pattern of storms more frequent or more severe than the historical record indicates something going on, as does a substantial collection of years warmer or cooler than normal, but alone they don't mean anything other than it was windy, warm, or cold.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[livendive 8]

rushmc

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

You are entitled to that belief, however it seems fine on gut instinct rather than any data in the historical record or scientifically credible theory. Thus, making decisions on the basis of such a belief is akin to making medical decisions on the presumption of an afterlife... Okay for you individually, but unreasonable for the larger population.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rushmc 23]

livendive

***

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

You are entitled to that belief, however it seems fine on gut instinct rather than any data in the historical record or scientifically credible theory. Thus, making decisions on the basis of such a belief is akin to making medical decisions on the presumption of an afterlife... Okay for you individually, but unreasonable for the larger population.

Blues,
Dave
No, not unreasonable at all
It works both ways
And the gut feeling is this is nothing out of the ordinary
Therefore, your beliefs are ok for you but, implementing change on those beliefs would be bad for the population at large

As for the after life comment

I think those who believe in this are practicing a religion of their own as I think it takes a leap of faith to buy this at the level we are talking about

No insult or disrespect intended

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

***>What IS to blame . . . .as I asked, who

Wait a minute. Did you switch from Type I denier to Type II again?

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

Is the CO2 level passing 400ppm a natural change too?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

******>What IS to blame . . . .as I asked, who

Wait a minute. Did you switch from Type I denier to Type II again?

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

Is the CO2 level passing 400ppm a natural change too?

It is reported that it has been higher

So, your point?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,107]

>Switched?

Yep.

> I believe is it natural change

So that would make you a Type II.

I expect you to switch back to Type I next time Brenthutch posts another "it was cold Wednesday - I guess climate change alarmists are all pathologic liars!' post.

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

*********>What IS to blame . . . .as I asked, who

Wait a minute. Did you switch from Type I denier to Type II again?

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

Is the CO2 level passing 400ppm a natural change too?

It is reported that it has been higher

So, your point?

Dinosaurs once roamed the Earth too.

Is the 32 million tons of pollution your company emits every year "natural".

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[livendive 8]

You don't seem to understand that there's a difference between a belief supported by observation and science and one that's just a "gut instinct". While you may believe that this is nothing out of the ordinary, you can't point to the historical record for a bunch of similar instances that corroborate your perception of "ordinary."

Public policy should be predicated on observable reality, not gut instincts or faith. I'm similarly opposed to using religion as a basis for government, because while any particular set of beliefs may, in fact, be correct, the lack of confirmation by observation and science renders all of them equally inferior to that which can be shown logically.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[livendive 8]

rushmc

*********>What IS to blame . . . .as I asked, who

Wait a minute. Did you switch from Type I denier to Type II again?

I am just asking if you blame man for the change as you described or
as I believe
is it natural change?

Is the CO2 level passing 400ppm a natural change too?

It is reported that it has been higher

So, your point?

Reported by whom, and how long ago?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]So who decides what is and isn't error in your wourld?

[lawrocket 3]

I will reiterat my belief. The earth's climate is warming. Anthropogenic activities are part of the cause. However, in the short, mid and long terms this warming will me marginal, within normal limits, and humans will be able to adapt with little difficulty.

My wife is hotter than your wife.