Global temps continue to fall

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lawrocket

I like your point, though. Let's add to it.

No, it was sufficiently succinct. There's no need for twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one is. No one would look at them, anyway.

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[livendive 8]

Which credible theory accepted by the scientific community suggests that increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations will result in lower global temperatures?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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livendive

Which credible theory accepted by the scientific community suggests that increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations will result in lower global temperatures?

Blues,
Dave

We'll know in a few hundred more threads about the same exact subject.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[brenthutch 444]

livendive

Which credible theory accepted by the scientific community suggests that increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations will result in lower global temperatures?

Blues,
Dave

This is why it is notable that despite the highest CO2 levels in history, current global temperatures are not even in in the top ten. It has become apparent that CO2 is not the powerful climate driver that was once thought. Recent papers have reduced the influence of CO2 on the climate by about one third. This undermines the circa 1980's understanding of climate, which the IPCC reports have been based on.

[lawrocket 3]

livendive

Which credible theory accepted by the scientific community suggests that increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations will result in lower global temperatures?

Blues,
Dave

There isn't one. But that's a loaded question.

The temperature isn't dropping. It's paused. This is nothing new. Here's a post I made on here 4 years ago...

[Url]http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3618347#3618347[/url]
[Quote]But with regard to trends, there is some stuff to chew on with regard to predictions. It is hypothesized that the earth's radiative balance is out of whack because of greenhouse radiative forcing and lagging ocean response. This was calculated to be an excess of .8 Watts per square meter around 200. (Hansen, J. et al. (2005), Earth’s energy imbalance: Confirmation and implications. Science, 308, 1431-1435.)

The increasing CO2 emissions of 20 ppm should have increased this absorption/emission deficit by .2 Watts per square meter. Considering ocean mixing, we should have seen a .25 degree C increase in global temperature since 2001.

Prior ups and downs have been seen. Decreases linked to tropical volcanoes and strong La Nina events, with peaks linked to strong El Nino events can be seen over the last 50 years.

The AGW theory has predicted increases in global temperature absent some dynamic change, such as volcanoes or El Nino/La Nina. Since 2001, these high amplitude changes have not occurred and not been linked to volcanoes.

Several papers have suggested a shift in climate since 2001 - globally. There is no identified cause of the halting in warming since 2001. IT will take time and more studies to confirm that global warming has halted - I understand and admit that.

Furthermore, it appears that while warming has halted, global cooling did not.

To reach any conclusions regarding the from this data is premature. Are we seeing a pause that we will come out of? Will global warming begin anew next year? IN ten years? In 50 years? We cannot say.

But - the science says we should expect an increase of .20 W per square meter assuming ocean mixing depth of 200 meters with a 20 ppm increase since 2000. This correlates to a .25C increase in temperature barring some supervening proximate cause that we understand and model.

The temperature increase has not occurred, which means that questions must be asked as to what is the proximate cause of this event. It implies that internal mechanisms that are not yet understood or possibly even known may have a more powerful effect than we know.

We should have seen a .35 increase in temps. Event a .10 increase in temps would not be explainable by a credible theory accepted by the scientific community.

In my mind, there is doubt. I'm fine with that. "I don't know" is better thatbeing wrong. Doesn't mean I don't state my beliefs. But I'm more than happy to change my statement and beliefs. I'll correct myself when called out on error.

Here's an example of my thinking:
"We absolutely must leave room for doubt or there is no progress and no learning. There is no learning without having to pose a question. And a question requires doubt. People search for certainty. But there is no certainty. People are terrified — how can you live and not know? It is not odd at all. You only think you know, as a matter of fact." - Richard Feynman

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,146]

thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/07/1972581/99-one-liners-rebutting-denier-talking-points-with-links-to-the-full-climate-science/

While lawyers will argue for whichever side pays the most, scientists follow the evidence.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/07/1972581/99-one-liners-rebutting-denier-talking-points-with-links-to-the-full-climate-science/

While lawyers will argue for whichever side pays the most, scientists follow the evidence.

I know lawyering when I see it. And I see it from alarmists.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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kallend

While lawyers will argue for whichever side pays the most, scientists follow the evidence.

Unless they go in with a preordained decision of what the results should be. Then they make it fit. Or if they've been publishing on one topic so long that they ha base their entire reputation on a certain theory. Then they refuse and refute as long as they can. Or if their grants are from sources who believe a certain way, and if you give them answers they don't want you don't get more grants. Or ....

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[brenthutch 444]

kallend

thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/07/1972581/99-one-liners-rebutting-denier-talking-points-with-links-to-the-full-climate-science/

While lawyers will argue for whichever side pays the most, scientists follow the evidence.

Just like Piltdown man, eugenics, and phrenology; You are an 18th/19th century throwback, I am
amused. Thank you for the chuckle.

[brenthutch 444]

kallend

thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/07/1972581/99-one-liners-rebutting-denier-talking-points-with-links-to-the-full-climate-science/

While lawyers will argue for whichever side pays the most, scientists follow the evidence.

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From your article: "The warming effect from more CO2 greatly outstrips the influence from changes in the Earth’s orbit or solar activity, even if solar levels were to drop to Maunder Minimum levels."

Riddle me this professor, if CO2 overwhelms natural forcings, then why are current temperatures, according to NOAA, not even in the top 10?

BTW thinkprogress.org is not a peer reviewed publication. Oh wait, never mind.

[ChrisD 0]

Brother Bill's backyard,...

If you have money and I mean lot's of money,...

How to keep wind farms from showing up at your (8 - 9 ) Vaacation home!

" Perhaps the most disturbing element of the interview was Koch’s unapologetic disclosure of his strategy to stop Cape Wind from getting built: “Delay, delay, delay.” So, now it’s official: Koch is trying to bog down Cape Wind until we give up."

Brought to you by the same people that fund all of this "global Warming nonsense."

C


parrot: a bird that mindlessly repeats what it hears, without thinking???

WE should form a study group to studie these issues further,...

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rushmc 23]

ChrisD

Brother Bill's backyard,...

If you have money and I mean lot's of money,...

How to keep wind farms from showing up at your (8 - 9 ) Vaacation home!

" Perhaps the most disturbing element of the interview was Koch’s unapologetic disclosure of his strategy to stop Cape Wind from getting built: “Delay, delay, delay.” So, now it’s official: Koch is trying to bog down Cape Wind until we give up."

Brought to you by the same people that fund all of this "global Warming nonsense."

C


parrot: a bird that mindlessly repeats what it hears, without thinking???

WE should form a study group to studie these issues further,...

He and Senator Kennedy worked well together

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

brenthutch

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/04/
Highest co2 in history yet Aprils global average ranked 13.

If you are a warmist, the trend is not your friend. Another model busting month is in the can.

Finally, maybe we will get some snow in League City Texas this year for Christmas...it would be nice to see.

[lawrocket 3]

Looks like Galena, Alaska is underwater right now because there's so much ice on the Yukon River that the ice dammed it up and is forming a lake behind it.

Hopefully it warms up soon.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[ChrisD 0]

Are yo all aware of the Alaska "Relocation Project," that is funded and takeing place as we speak?

Due to Global Warming:

Right now?

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rushmc 23]

ChrisD

Are yo all aware of the Alaska "Relocation Project," that is funded and takeing place as we speak?

Due to Global Warming:

Right now?

C

I got a bridge for sale

Interested?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ChrisD 0]

Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?


What do you have to say to the folks in NY that suffered the effects of the Storm Surge, a recent record setting event BTW?

What are you going to tell Indonesia and India...That they are mistaken when they are spending billions to relocate populations away from the coast? To protect their people, right now??

Why don't you come to England to see the efforts involved with the "Watershed" and Upper Thames relocation projects?

Were you at the euro Global Warming summit? (I wasen't , but I did read with great amusment the comments about how fucked the Americans are!)

Ozone depletion anyone??? GO tell it to the Aussies and their recent increase in skin Cancer!

Are yo aware of how building codes have changed, WORLD WIDE, near coastal areas?


Didn't think so...

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rushmc 23]

ChrisD

Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?


What do you have to say to the folks in NY that suffered the effects of the Storm Surge, a recent record setting event BTW?

What are you going to tell Indonesia and India...That they are mistaken when they are spending billions to relocate populations away from the coast? To protect their people, right now??

Why don't you come to England to see the efforts involved with the "Watershed" and Upper Thames relocation projects?

Were you at the euro Global Warming summit? (I wasen't , but I did read with great amusment the comments about how fucked the Americans are!)

Ozone depletion anyone??? GO tell it to the Aussies and their recent increase in skin Cancer!

Are yo aware of how building codes have changed, WORLD WIDE, near coastal areas?


Didn't think so...

C

All because of man made global warming?

Wow

You need to get some different cool aid dude

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

ChrisD

Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?

He's from Iowa - you have to make allowances.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ChrisD 0]

kallend

***Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?

He's from Iowa - you have to make allowances.


Thanks for the calming words K


This will go abouve way too many heads:

But let him / her enjouy their "Feed lot Beef" in peace.

I would hope they enjoy at least 4 - 8 servings per week, at that rate they won't have to worry about Global Warming.



C

At least your witty , Give ya that!!!
Actually Ann Romney got the bigist tax break when they claimed their (alien) landscape company cost's at their Belmont Home, right after they moved from UT, when he ran for Gov in MA, and was not a resident! This was just one of the reasons they rufused to disclose, as required by law, their finances.

Ya and I alrady know I can't spell...

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[rushmc 23]

ChrisD

******Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?

He's from Iowa - you have to make allowances.


Thanks for the calming words K


This will go abouve way too many heads:

But let him / her enjouy their "Feed lot Beef" in peace.

I would hope they enjoy at least 4 - 8 servings per week, at that rate they won't have to worry about Global Warming.



C

Ah yes

True liberal inclusion
Wishing for others deaths

Do me a favor will you?

Keep posting

It is very enlightening to those who do not know the face of the the true believers

Thank you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

ChrisD

Are yo all aware of the Alaska "Relocation Project," that is funded and takeing place as we speak?

Due to Global Warming:

Right now?

C

My wife and I were involved in a relocation project roughly 5 years ago. Worked out well, we love the new home, great community, schools and such...just no snow for the last 3 years

[rehmwa 2]

kallend

***Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?

He's from Iowa - you have to make allowances.

Iowa, huh? so just wheer is that located? Is it abouve or below highway 80?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[kallend 2,146]

rehmwa

******Why don't you take your shitty ass observation and put it wheer it belongs?

He's from Iowa - you have to make allowances.

Iowa, huh? so just wheer is that located? Is it abouve or below highway 80?

Yeppers.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]What do you have to say to the folks in NY that suffered the effects of the Storm Surge, a recent record setting event BTW?