Notice how things are changing: 2003 Yukon, low milage only 154,000 miles

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Once when autos gained 60,000 miles the market prices fell dramatically as 60,000 miles was high mileage auto. People bought new cars more often. Now: 150K is low mileage?

I think there will be many 100K+ mile cars for $3K-$5K available for all the third world, aged, out of work USA citizens.

Hopefully there will be enough new truck buyers at $50,000 a copy to aid the supply of affordable low milege 200,000 mile cars for the general population.

Thanks OBAMA for keeping America on wheels.

BTW- young people are abandoning cars and using public trans.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Thanks OBAMA for keeping America on wheels.

Yes!! Totally, and predictably, in-context with the rest of the post.

Are you actually a closet intellectual manipulating a sock puppet to make conservatives look like idiots, and guarantee that Biden will be the next President? That's the only rational explanation I can think of.

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I have never purchased a new car in my life. I have always tended to buy something that was 2-3 years old (let someone else pay for most of the vehicle's initial big depreciation drop) and then drive the vehicle until it dies and/or no longer makes economic sense to keep the vehicle and then repeat the cycle with another vehicle. If you want to buy new every couple of years, have at it, but I have only owned 3 daily drivers in the 25+ years I have been driving.

Now as far as young people are concerned, without a doubt the young in today's world are far more likely to be indoctrinated into the Left's ideology than when I was young. But I grew up in the late 70s early 80s when society was also going through turbulent economic times and I did not own a car until I was 21 simply because I could not afford the expense back then and my first car was a complete lemon, I never should have bought that piece of crap. No I didn't own my first reasonably good 3 year old vehicle until I was 24. Until then I:

1) Took public transit to and from work.
2) Rode my bike when I could.
3) Relied on friends who had cars.

I have plenty of things I would like to criticize the messiah savior of humanity for. But this is not one of them. Maybe I will buy one of your used vehicles when you are done with it. But I suspect I still have another 5 or more years left in my 1999 Jeep Wrangler before it is no longer economically viable.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,118]

Yes, OBAMA has caused American manufacturing to make cars that are three times more reliable/durable. He did this to secretly insert a gap between the time that someone bought a car to the time that someone sold it. That way he enables the Sharia law takeover of the US or something else Muslim bad mumble Benghazi.

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Andy9o8

and guarantee that Biden will be the next President?

it's scary that this might actually be an option - that neither side can even come close to offering up someone that understands the middle and spending cuts - and that the public can't figure it out either


on the plus side - - proof positive that just 'anybody' really could become the president of the USA....

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[kallend 2,148]

Actually most of the mandated changes in design and construction of vehicles that makes them last so much longer were initially opposed by conservatives.

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kallend

Actually most of the mandated changes in design and construction of vehicles that makes them last so much longer were initially opposed by conservatives.

I didn't realize that until just recently. For the past 15+ years I've either bought new or barely used with very low milage.

I've been looking to get a used pickup truck for the past few weeks...anything 5 years old has 100,000 plus on it and they seem to be just getting broken in!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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kallend

Actually most of the mandated changes in design and construction of vehicles that makes them last so much longer were initially opposed by conservatives.

your assumption is that government mandates are the sole cause of product improvement

that's cute


certainly the manufacturer that just made the better car wouldn't have thrived over others that kept on making sucky cars.

perhaps all the manufacturers would get together and agree to make only sucky cars -......true......if the government fostered a climate to back consolidated automaker unions - stifling improvements would certainly occur naturally as cause and effect (demonstrated time and again in many union industries)




so what one might be saying, is that the government sponsored unions typically will stand in the way of product improvement and efficiencies - this will require the government to then step in and mandate product improvements to get around the union barriers to the same

clever little bastards these politicians, aren't they? - put in laws, that require more laws to balance out, then more laws to fix that.......all the while lining their pockets with money and power

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[billvon 3,118]

>your assumption is that government mandates are the sole cause of product improvement

They are definitely not; 90% of the improvements in cars came from vehicle manufacturers in the course of normal competition. However, many of the big changes (crashworthiness, fuel injection, computer control, stability control) came about due to government "meddling." We know this is the case because of the very vocal and public outcries by the car companies against such improvements.

>is that the government sponsored unions typically will stand in the way of
>product improvement and efficiencies . . .

A bit off-topic. It is as accurate to complain about government sponsored unions as to complain about the government sponsored car companies who are always arguing with them.

(Agreed that unions often oppose, well, everything, but again that's something of a separate topic.)

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billvon

Yes, OBAMA has caused American manufacturing to make cars that are three times more reliable/durable. He did this to secretly insert a gap between the time that someone bought a car to the time that someone sold it. That way he enables the Sharia law takeover of the US or something else Muslim bad mumble Benghazi.

Reliable and durable? sheet metal thin as pieces of paper and bumpers that are made from the tail and head lights that are easily smashed when bumping into something? All installed with tools, and fittings that are not available at tool store and CRUMBLE when backing out a screw from the plastic just to change a bulb? They are nearly made of paper.

Cars of yesteryear could go as many miles as they do now, it's just that people didn't keep them that long and if you didn't go traveling to national parks, the car stayed home in the drive as you walked to the steel mill or mine to work not commute 100 or miles per day to a job as many do. OH forgot we no longer make steel or cars. People buying 150,000 mi car is: a sign of the times: poor nation. And, the car is not worth scrap as it's not made of steel, mostly plastic.

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CanuckInUSA

I have never purchased a new car in my life. I have always tended to buy something that was 2-3 years old (let someone else pay for most of the vehicle's initial big depreciation drop) and then drive the vehicle until it dies and/or no longer makes economic sense to keep the vehicle and then repeat the cycle with another vehicle. If you want to buy new every couple of years, have at it, but I have only owned 3 daily drivers in the 25+ years I have been driving.

My last car went 16 years. But when I looked at buying the 3 yo model, the numbers just didn't add up. Used car pricing is just too high for the mileage, even ignoring the uncertainty. New car pricing is very aggressive - I bought the next trim line up of the same model, paid $1000 more than I did for the same car in 1997....and at 0.9% financing, which removed the incentive to pay cash up front.

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billvon

>(Agreed that unions often oppose, well, everything, but again that's something of a separate topic.)

tangent - when I was in the Navy, we found out the shipyard unions were opposing simple inventory scanning systems designed to quicken inventory throughput and lesson mistakes.

It would get rid of the big staff of people that did this manually.

They didn't care that the shipyards were dying.
They didn't care that all the shipyards in the rest of world had already converted.
They didn't care that the country would have a serious disadvantage in trade if we couldn't do this simple thing
etc
etc
etc

it's a natural tension and healthy - unless it gets totally unreasonable (on either side, even if my examples tend to be the union ones)

unions can be a partnership, or adversarial. it seems the wrong choice in this matter is always the default.

Our country was a young adult a couple decades ago. In terms of advancement, relations, how people exercised their rights, etc. It just seems that the general culture has reverted to a 13 year old spoiled male child.

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and guarantee that Biden will be the next President? That's the only rational explanation I can think of.

Perhaps guarantee a democratic president, but not a 74 year old democratic president.

[kallend 2,148]

rehmwa

***Actually most of the mandated changes in design and construction of vehicles that makes them last so much longer were initially opposed by conservatives.

your assumption is that government mandates are the sole cause of product improvement



See highlighted words.

What part of "most" didn't you get?

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Cars of yesteryear could go as many miles as they do now,

That's just bullshit, [ETA: at least as re: American-made cars]. Half of us here in this thread are old enough to know, from witnessing it first-hand, what nonsense that is.

Rob Ford? Is that you?


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ETA -In the interest of fairness, I'll concede that Japanese cars easily lasted 200k miles decades before the American mfgrs brought their own products' longevity up to that standard.

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OHCHUTE

***Yes, OBAMA has caused American manufacturing to make cars that are three times more reliable/durable. He did this to secretly insert a gap between the time that someone bought a car to the time that someone sold it. That way he enables the Sharia law takeover of the US or something else Muslim bad mumble Benghazi.

Reliable and durable? sheet metal thin as pieces of paper and bumpers that are made from the tail and head lights that are easily smashed when bumping into something?....

Of course, the passengers are far better protected by that thin sheet metal than they were in the "good old days" before crash standards. And that thin sheet metal is far less likely to be rusted through. And you're less likely to have a crash anyway due to huge improvements in brakes, suspensions, steering, tires... mostly driven by safety mandates.

And the engines last way longer because the fuel burns cleaner, on account of emissions and economy mandates. Which also allows longer intervals between oil changes.

Open your eyes to reality instead of prejudice.

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and guarantee that Biden will be the next President? That's the only rational explanation I can think of.

Perhaps guarantee a democratic president, but not a 74 year old democratic president.

Well, I was trying to choose the sillier potential candidate. I understand why conservatives dislike Hillary, but objectively, I don't doubt her seriousness and capability. Biden, on the other hand, is the life of the party in the Bozo wig.

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>Reliable and durable?

Yes. As you said. 60,000 miles was once high mileage; now cars are so reliable and durable they are lasting into 150,000 miles.

>sheet metal thin as pieces of paper and bumpers that are made from the tail and
>head lights that are easily smashed when bumping into something? All installed with
>tools, and fittings that are not available at tool store and CRUMBLE when backing out
>a screw from the plastic just to change a bulb? They are nearly made of paper.

Yes, and are more reliable, safer, more efficient and cheaper (in real dollars) than cars made 50 years ago.

Same sort of stuff is happening all over. Check out a parachute from 60 years ago. Weighed 30 pounds, took half an hour to pack, had a cruddy deployment system. And look at today's parachutes! Flimsy tissue paper zero-P fabric and skinny spaghetti lines! Computers and displays sensitive to eletrostatic discharge! Maintained by riggers who need special machines and devices to do even basic maintenance on rigs and reserves.

You want to go back?

>Cars of yesteryear could go as many miles as they do now, it's just that people didn't
>keep them that long . . .

Ah, so cars haven't changed, people 50 years ago were just stupid and wasteful.

>H forgot we no longer make steel or cars. People buying 150,000 mi car is: a sign of
>the times: poor nation.

So if people bought crappy cars that failed quickly, it would be an indication that we were all rich? You'd prefer disposable cars instead of the cars we have today?

>And, the car is not worth scrap as it's not made of steel, mostly plastic.

Yep. Thus it's lighter, safer and more efficient.

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kallend

******Actually most of the mandated changes in design and construction of vehicles that makes them last so much longer were initially opposed by conservatives.

your assumption is that government mandates are the sole cause of product improvement



See highlighted words.

What part of "most" didn't you get?

I stand corrected

but it doesn't change the point of the post - just let's you nit pick

(sorry - I usually just scan your posts any more, but this is a perfect example of why)

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OHCHUTE

Cars of yesteryear could go as many miles as they do now.

hahahaha!!!

You're a nutcase!

Show me a model-T that would last 250,000 miles...

Hell, I had a 1970s Honda that couldn't pass ANY safety tests by the time it had 60,000 miles on it due to the shitty materials they made it out of - it had to be scrapped. But let me guess - that's just the government keepin' me down and givin' more money to the Japs?

Goddamn those cheap, easily replaceable, and pedestrian friendly bumpers! We should make 'em out of rhino horn. I hear that shit LASTS!

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anything 5 years old has 100,000 plus on it and they seem to be just getting broken in!

One of my cars is an '03 Toyota Tacoma with 100,000 on it. My two previous Toyota pickups both went over 200,000 when I sold them; and they still ran very well. The last one went to the first guy who looked at it; he could not give me the money any faster. Hmmmm, maybe I should have asked for more?????



JerryBaumchen

PS) Any anyone who thinks cars were safer, lasted longer in 'the old days' probably wasn't there. I had my first car in 1956.

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JerryBaumchen

JerryBaumchen

PS) Any anyone who thinks cars were safer, lasted longer in 'the old days' probably wasn't there. I had my first car in 1956.

I have a car from "the old days" (1946). Even restored, it's really a POS compared with a modern car. The brakes, steering and suspension are inferior, and in a front end collision the driver would be speared by the steering column.

But it does look cool.

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1995 dodge ram went a million miles...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_longevity

As the economy gets poorer, and it is doing so, people will keep cars longer. Hence: what was a high mileage car of 60,000 miles is now hardly broke in.

"Another was the 1963 Volkswagen Beetle belonging to Albert Klein of Pasadena, California that had racked up to 1,442,044 miles on 25 Jan 1993.'

Rust prevention was also the main contributing factor to auto longevity. When most of the parts are made from plastic and rubber, there's less corrosion. In the past many useable cars were junked as it's hard to drive the car when the floor board infront of the gas peddle rusted out. Of course there were some that welded plates but rust was typically the main indicator to abandon the car, not the mileage.


Looks like someone else noticed before I noticed:

http://blog.allstate.com/high-mileage-cars-200000-is-the-new-100000/

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But it does look cool.

Skydivers know what is important.

I was stationed in France ( '62-63 ) and at that time you could not have a hood ornament that could 'spear' a pedistrian. There were a lot of American cars owned by GI's that were driving around without any hood ornaments.

JerryBaumchen

PS) See the attached photo for an example of this type of hood ornament that was not allowed.

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Actually most of the mandated changes in design and construction of vehicles that makes them last so much longer were initially opposed by conservatives.


You mean like CNC machining?

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy