Mass shooting of the week - New Orleans

[rehmwa 2]

Gravitymaster

Should someone who has ever had a DUI or DIP be banned from purchasing alcohol in your world?

That's off track -

That is a direct, demonstrated set of 'actions' that proved the person broke a law. I think a rational argument can at least be made for exactly what you wrote. (A potential threat to others proved by virtue of demonstrated guilt as determined by the legal system)

Much different than trying to look into the future and then denying a right to a person that hasn't ever broken a law but someone thinks that, maybe, possibly, they might...maybe. (Assumption of a threat not proven by any direct legal means. Only inferences and subjective non-logic)

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Stumpy

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either the BATFE keeps a record of all sales (de facto registration)

Surely it would be a register of all checks, not all sales? And therefore of no use as a registration tool?

That would be bad enough to give them two out of three, but no. They would want the seller, buyer, and gun information for each sale. Otherwise (they'll argue) how do we know you checked for each sale? How do we know you performed the required background check when selling this gun, and not some other?

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[normiss 868]

We're gonna need to limit your beer purchases sir.
6-packs only.
No assault cases of beer.
No 40's.

Oh wait. No second amendment for beer.

The guy that makes fun of ANY gun comparisons now compares the purchase of a weapon to buying beer.

[kallend 2,114]

normiss

We're gonna need to limit your beer purchases sir.
6-packs only.
No assault cases of beer.
No 40's.

Oh wait. No second amendment for beer.

The guy that makes fun of ANY gun comparisons now compares the purchase of a weapon to buying beer.

And Kennedy (among others) to cars. And many people in the past to swimming pools. Do you actually have a point or are you just being unusually silly today?

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[kallend 2,114]

www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/27/texas-shooting-spree/2364261/

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[popsjumper 2]

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Do you actually have a point

Oooo, Ooooo....

Think about it.

- John Kallend


Your link:
Another nutter, what's new?
My compassion is for the victims. Sad to see their injuries and deaths used to promote a misguided political agenda. Meh, it's the norm these days.



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Somebody made you cold

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My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[kallend 2,114]

popsjumper

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Do you actually have a point

Oooo, Ooooo....

Think about it.

- John Kallend


Your link:
Another nutter, what's new?
My compassion is for the victims. Sad to see their injuries and deaths used to promote a misguided political agenda. Meh, it's the norm these days.

Explain what is misguided about not wanting "another nutter" to have easy access to guns?

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[normiss 868]

None of us want that.

Still waiting for workable ideas and/or solutions though.
Nobody has any viable ideas yet - or so it seems.

[popsjumper 2]

Think about it.

- John Kallend

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

normiss

None of us want that.

Still waiting for workable ideas and/or solutions though.
Nobody has any viable ideas yet - or so it seems.

My take is that there is no viable solution.
Even the gun-o-phobes push to eliminate guns entirely will not work...it can't be done.

Do we do nothing? No. Something can be better than nothing. Key phrase 'can be'. We're just not going to get agreement on what that something will be.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[kallend 2,114]

normiss

None of us want that.

Still waiting for workable ideas and/or solutions though.
Nobody has any viable ideas yet - or so it seems.

My recollection is that either champu or rehmwa came up with a solution that didn't impinge on anyone's rights.

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[normiss 868]

Then I guess that's good for you.
I don't have that recollection.

[tkhayes 348]

there are plenty of viable solutions and even plenty of interim temporary solutions. The ring wing gun nutters just deny deny deny regardless of their feasibility.

There are better gun laws in other countries to use as examples, just like there are better education systems in different places and better health care systems in other places etc. The denial and refusal to see what is right in front of you is the actual problem.

I put it to you that even if I came up with the perfect solution to greatly reduce gun crime it would be denied....

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tkhayes

There are better gun laws in other countries to use as examples, just like there are better education systems in different places and better health care systems in other places etc. The denial and refusal to see what is right in front of you is the actual problem.

You're not seriously suggesting that the USA is not already the absolute best at everything, are you?

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[rushmc 23]

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I put it to you that even if I came up with the perfect solution to greatly reduce gun crime it would be denied....

This statement supposes there is one

Even YOU know better than this

IF there is, spell it out

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

***None of us want that.

Still waiting for workable ideas and/or solutions though.
Nobody has any viable ideas yet - or so it seems.

My recollection is that either champu or rehmwa came up with a solution that didn't impinge on anyone's rights.

heh - this is even better than your usual 'I wrote it once, use search to find it in my 46000 posts!' deflection. Now it's 'this guy, I don't remember who, solved the problem. Just go search for it.'

Most excellent.

[kallend 2,114]

kelpdiver

******None of us want that.

Still waiting for workable ideas and/or solutions though.
Nobody has any viable ideas yet - or so it seems.

My recollection is that either champu or rehmwa came up with a solution that didn't impinge on anyone's rights.

heh - this is even better than your usual 'I wrote it once, use search to find it in my 46000 posts!' deflection. Now it's 'this guy, I don't remember who, solved the problem. Just go search for it.'

Most excellent.

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4462390;search_string=gun%20card;#4462390

Eat crow

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[rehmwa 2]

kallend

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4462390;search_string=gun%20card;#4462390

Eat crow

and also

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4448038;search_string=permit%20purchase%20sheriff;#4448038

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[normiss 868]

Interesting.
So you seem to now fully support the current laws.
Agreed.

Wow.

That was easy.


Now back to the nutters.....

[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4462390;search_string=gun%20card;#4462390

Eat crow

You could have just posted the link.

No, it doesn't impinge on freedoms. However, it does not address the apparent problem at hand (crazies shooting people) either. It's only slightly more meaningful than the drivers license I got renewed in January by mailing in a check. Perhaps I have a restraining order out against me now, or am now taking serious drugs after visiting a doctor for strange voices in my head.

So it seems like a lot of infrastructure with a marginal gain. Read: gun tax, though I think it could be sold for the convenience factor to people in many states.

[popsjumper 2]

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there are plenty of viable solutions and even plenty of interim temporary solutions.

I disagree and here's why..

Who is doing 99% of these shoot-em-ups?
The "nutters" (aptly named, IMO).

The solutions you and others that the prof suggest do nothing to 'solve' that problem.

Yes, you can temporarily make it harder for them to obtain weapons and if that's all want then so be it. The solutions suggested will hinder them only in the slightest, IMO, and it's a far cry from a solution.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[kallend 2,114]

popsjumper

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there are plenty of viable solutions and even plenty of interim temporary solutions.

I disagree and here's why..

Who is doing 99% of these shoot-em-ups?
The "nutters" (aptly named, IMO).

The solutions you and others that the prof suggest do nothing to 'solve' that problem.

Yes, you can temporarily make it harder for them to obtain weapons and if that's all want then so be it. The solutions suggested will hinder them only in the slightest, IMO, and it's a far cry from a solution.

The USA has the highest murder rate of any western industrial nation by a long way, and 75% of those are with guns.

So what do YOU suggest - just shrugging your shoulders?

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[rushmc 23]

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So what do YOU suggest - just shrugging your shoulders?

Of course not
But those like you chose to ignore the progress made in the last 20 years

Overall gun crimes are down 68% in the US in the last twenty years
Murders with guns are down almost 40%

It seems that things organizations such as the NRA are doing, work!

Even in a time when gun ownership numbers are explodeing

Crimes with long guns (which include the scarry black rifle) are less than 1% of the shrinking problem

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/05/07/doj-gun-violence-down-semi-automatics-a-minor-issue/

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/joe-schoffstall/doj-firearms-related-homicides-drop-39-18-years-nonfatal-firearms-crimes

Sorry John

This is a gun banners solution in search of a problem

NO, I am not saying we can't to do better. I am all ears for a direction that reduces crime even more
But I, unlike you, would do it under the framworrk of the Constitution which spells out our rights

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

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What you don't know is what you actually want to do to accomplish your goal.

I know what I would do and you know what you would do...... but the tragedy is that the people that matter will likely do nothing, and therefore nothing will change.

So I guess you are OK with the status quo. most are not

Who is this "most " you are talking about

But for me, I wuld improve things that the NRA is doing

Seems to be working

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/joe-schoffstall/doj-firearms-related-homicides-drop-39-18-years-nonfatal-firearms-crimes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,114]

rushmc

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So what do YOU suggest - just shrugging your shoulders?

Of course not
But those like you chose to ignore the progress made in the last 20 years

Overall gun crimes are down 68% in the US in the last twenty years
Murders with guns are down almost 40%

Yet the USA STILL has the highest murder rate of any western industrial nation by a long way, and 75% of those are with guns.

Background checks don't infringe on anyone's rights.

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