Highest paid state employees

[kallend 2,182]

Nice graphic indicating who the highest paid state employees are in each state.
deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-paid-employee-a-co-489635228

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[lawrocket 3]

Ah, yes. An info graphic on the educational priorities as determined by state governments.

This is government at it's finest, eh? All out of our education budgets. And for some reason, people think we should be spending more on schools so that the educational experience is further enriched just like this.

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[kallend 2,182]

lawrocket

Ah, yes. An info graphic on the educational priorities as determined by state governments.

This is government at it's finest, eh? All out of our education budgets. And for some reason, people think we should be spending more on schools so that the educational experience is further enriched just like this.

In many states there are Nobel prizewinners on their state university faculty. Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

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[wmw999 2,602]

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Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

Based on worth to humanity, absolutely. Based on how much they bring in to the university, well, football and basketball sell tickets and TV money in the major colleges, and bring in tons of dollars .

I know you know that, and I'm sure you're frustrated by it.

Wendy P.

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wmw999

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Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

Based on worth to humanity, absolutely. Based on how much they bring in to the university, well, football and basketball sell tickets and TV money in the major colleges, and bring in tons of dollars .

I know you know that, and I'm sure you're frustrated by it.

Wendy P.

Generally football and basketball lose millions of dollars for their university.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[wmw999 2,602]

Boy, that's not what I used to hear. If so, well, then, they should have listened and cancelled the fucking program when I was in school . At Rice, jocks even had their own major

Wendy P.

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kallend

***Ah, yes. An info graphic on the educational priorities as determined by state governments.

This is government at it's finest, eh? All out of our education budgets. And for some reason, people think we should be spending more on schools so that the educational experience is further enriched just like this.

In many states there are Nobel prizewinners on their state university faculty. Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

I think his point was something along the lines of "don't ask for more money if you're wasting what we already give you."

To answer your question: no. I think football coaches should be paid like top professors, not the other way around.

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[ryoder 1,590]

Southern_Man

Generally football and basketball lose millions of dollars for their university.

I recall a "60 Minutes" episode years ago where they interviewed a guy who had researched colleges athletics and written a book on it. He outlined the deceptive accounting colleges used to hide the actual costs of supporting teams by burying them in other accounts.

I haven't found his name yet, but here is a more recent report with lots of qutable statements it in: http://www.montana.edu/econ/seminar/Archive/siegfriedcollegesports%20052010.pdf

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Even though the student stars that fill the enormous stadiums are not paid, there is usually little left from athletics profits to subsidize the academic missions of the colleges and universities the teams represent. Indeed, the flow of funds seems to move in the opposite direction. A 2010 report concluded that “more than $800 million in student fees and university subsidies are propping up athletics programs at the nation’s top sports colleges, including hundreds of millions in the richest conferences.” (Gillium, Upton and
Berkowitz, 2010).

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

Here is a college prof who has researched and written books on how college sports affect on schools: http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/160240-1/Murray+Sperber.aspx

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,182]

Kennedy

******Ah, yes. An info graphic on the educational priorities as determined by state governments.

This is government at it's finest, eh? All out of our education budgets. And for some reason, people think we should be spending more on schools so that the educational experience is further enriched just like this.

In many states there are Nobel prizewinners on their state university faculty. Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

I think his point was something along the lines of "don't ask for more money if you're wasting what we already give you."

To answer your question: no. I think football coaches should be paid like top professors, not the other way around.

Is there something about the "=" sign that you don't understand?

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[kallend 2,182]

wmw999

Boy, that's not what I used to hear. If so, well, then, they should have listened and cancelled the fucking program when I was in school . At Rice, jocks even had their own major

Wendy P.

At very few schools do the athletics programs pay for themselves. And precious little of what they do make goes into the "general fund" that runs the university.

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[Kennedy 0]

Making A equal to B is not the same as making B equal to A. Sorry you're having trouble understanding that.

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kallend

At very few schools do the athletics programs pay for themselves. And precious little of what they do make goes into the "general fund" that runs the university.

So which departments on campus pay for themselves?

Note even your infographic confirms that 1) the fb and bb programs subsidize the non revenue sports. So you're really bitching about gymnastics or field hockey or if we want to be dicks, any women's sports program.
2) the taxpayers aren't paying this salary. For California, Cal's football coach had been the top paid person until he was terminated last season. Nearly all of his salary came from the boosters or Nike. And in his ten year run, the increase in season ticket holders as well as *academic* donations show the clear value.

[Kennedy 0]

I've never had a problem with major state schools choosing to be sports programs with mediocre academic programs built around them (let's be honest, the best schools for sports are only the best schools for sports). If that's their choice then so be it.

I really can't stand when smaller schools with stronger scholarly programs waste their limited funding on athletics and sports scholarships. They act like they want to compete with SEC and perennial powerhouses while they're DII and DIII.

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[kelpdiver 2]

Kennedy

I've never had a problem with major state schools choosing to be sports programs with mediocre academic programs built around them (let's be honest, the best schools for sports are only the best schools for sports). If that's their choice then so be it.

I really can't stand when smaller schools with stronger scholarly programs waste their limited funding on athletics and sports scholarships. They act like they want to compete with SEC and perennial powerhouses while they're DII and DIII.

well, if we're being honest, we have to look at Stanfurd's success in both. Cal, UCLA, and Michigan aren't doing too shabby either, if we restrict to just public schools.

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]In many states there are Nobel prizewinners on their state university faculty. Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

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wmw999

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Don't you think it would be appropriate for them to be paid as much as the football coach?

Based on worth to humanity, absolutely. Based on how much they bring in to the university, well, football and basketball sell tickets and TV money in the major colleges, and bring in tons of dollars . .

the 'worth to humanity' comment is totally subjective, how do you know what's worth it and what's not for that broad a concept? - though it does make a nice sounding comment

schools have a mission, make money,.., develop people..., whatever they choose it to be - if staff want to think they have some subjective 'higher calling' in order to sleep at night, or to feel like they are better than other drones, that's great - they should work at a school that 'really' has that mission. But if the purpose is revenue generation, then pretty much the salaries should align to the mission of the business and reward those that succeed at that mission

what gets me when (can't speak for Kallend, but a general observation) is profs that are good teachers, will also complain about other profs that focus on research instead (getting grant$ and getting publi$hed) which also generates positive return for the business.......

It's clear, that schools that pay more for athletics clearly have their true mission statement defined (despite whatever 'mission' they claim, actions speak). Don't like it? work elsewhere, or get the mission redefined.

The claim that coaches (pro athletes, etc etc etc) should be paid less is also a non-starter - complaining that someone negotiated the absolute best deal for their services is really just a lever into salary controls by some agency. People that think that's a good idea just really haven't thought it through at all. Frankly, the back door attack on that situation is already being escalated through taxes, fees, penalties, etc anyway.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

It is sort of amusing listening to people whine about the money in sports when it was the Labor movement who was highly influential in bringing more money into sports. What I am about to speak of is more related to pro sports and I know the OP wants to blame the money in school sports, but the pro sports and the schools are highly integrated now where the big entertainment money is involved in both domains.

There was a time not that long ago when the owners had complete control over these sports where the owners were the only ones making the money (though they weren't making nearly as much money as they do now) and the owners had slave like rights over the athletes and coaches. Was this fair for the owners to have all this power over the destiny of the athletes? Was this fair where the athletes were tied to one owner for life where the athlete was denied the right to control their own destiny? Of course it wasn't fair. This was modern day slavery. So the Labor movement got involved and now the athletes and the coaches have been given the ability to negotiate their own settlements with the highest bidder. The result has been more money has been brought into sports and the people who are ultimately being screwed are the fans who must pay more and of course in the case of school athletics, the tax payers are also asked to foot a higher percentage. Is there a way to bring back sanity into the sports world where the athletes can control their own destiny and yet still keep sports affordable? Not so sure. Greed is a powerful tool in the entertainment industry and there is plenty of greed being spread around. It's not just the owners who are greedy these days.

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CanuckInUSA

The result has been more money has been brought into sports and the people who are ultimately being screwed are the fans who must pay more and

the fans are 'choosing' to pay what they pay - the market defines it. Any fan, any time, can just walk away from it and keep their money. I have no sympathies in this aspect. In otherwords - there is no "must" when they pay more

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of course in the case of school athletics, the tax payers are also asked to foot a higher percentage.

here is a real issue - this is just plain wrong. (there is no "asking" when it comes to taxes - there is no choice there with this abuse)

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

There is a lot of abuse of the tax payers money. These days politicians cater to whatever special interest groups buy them the most votes and school sports is just one in a long list of special interests. I just wanted to point out the history of the relationship between the owners and the athletes and how the Labor movement got involved to help the athlete, but at the expense of sports as a whole.

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CanuckInUSA

I just wanted to point out the history of the relationship between the owners and the athletes and how the Labor movement got involved to help the athlete, but at the expense of sports as a whole.

sure - I'm pointing out that, IMO, sports as a whole isn't hurt at all by it. Players are motivated to higher performance to get those big paychecks and the bar is raised every season as a result. If the fans are willing to pay what they do, no one is hurt by it.

We get hurt when governments at all levels try to subsidize pro sports in any way. it's not an area that should be paid for involuntarily by any individual.

If we are outraged at the paychecks of ANY participant in a sport, then why are we subsidizing stadiums, roads, etc preferentially over any other business?

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

I'm not arguing with you. I agree with everything you are saying.

PS: I am a former Colorado Avalanche season ticket holder from 2000 through to 2004 and the NHL's 2004/2005 labor dispute forever tainted me. Of course I no longer live in the Denver area, so giving up my Avs season tickets had to happen. But I could have easily pursued new season tickets here in Calgary with the Flames. But I am sick of the millionaire athletes fighting with the billionaire owners. Back in the 1980s when I became an adult I could attend an NHL hockey game for less than $20 and now these same seats cost well over $120 each. The four major sports in North America (soccer in Europe is no different) is out of control. But I have taken myself out of the equation. I just find it amusing when people whine about the money in sports without seeing the big picture as to why the money in sports has exploded.

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CanuckInUSA

I'm not arguing with you. I agree with everything you are saying. .

yep, I know

I'm less sick of millionaire athletes fighting with the billionaire owners.

I'm sick of tax payer money subsidizing their business when they just don't need it.

(I have a pretty fat line drawn in the sand between how I view government vs Private in terms or what is right vs wrong)

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I'm sick of tax payer money subsidizing their business when they just don't need it.

You should see what is going on in Edmonton these days. The owner of the NHL's Edmonton Oilers Daryl Katz wants a new tax payer funded stadium built and to add a curve ball to the mix he has alleged to have made illegal political donations to the ruling Progressive Conservative Party currently in power (oh and this Progressive Party is conservative in name only). Millions have gone missing, there is no stadium and who is on the line to pay for this mess? You guessed it, the tax payers.

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