Global Warming causes "cold anomalies" and tornado drought

[brenthutch 444]

Oh the horror! The mid-west has been devastated by tornado droughts.

http://www.weather.com/news/tornado-central/tornado-drought-20130424?pageno=2

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Did you read the article all the way to the end?

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[lawrocket 3]

Paul:

Thus far, 2013 is shaping into a brutal year for those who want to point to "extreme" weather. Fewest tornadoes - so far. Almost halfway through the usually brutal May and nope, not much. (Note: "two of the most tornadic months" means "two of the months between March and August.") And also note, the fewest tornadoes INCLUDES the time period before Doppler radar detected tornadoes that nobody ever laid eyes on.

Spring here in the US is the coldest recorded. It may yet pan out to be warmer than 1917, but that's still saying something. Ask denver how long winter has been. I think West Virginia got snow last week, too, and their snow started in October!

Arctic ice - normal - another thing that can change. So we can't say that the missing Arctic ice is causing this weather. Arctic ice is now at the highest extent in over a decade for this date.

Drought - much is being said about the drought, but the Palmer Drought Index history shows that, nationwide, it's moderate compared to what we've seen in the last century.

Cold - I'm expecting that the ice break at Nenana will occur later than ever measured. Considering that the ice thinkness now is roughly what it was on January 1, it's not an unsafe bet. [Url]http://www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/ice.htm[/url]historically, it's already running really late. [Url]http://www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/Breakup%20Log.html[/url]

Hurricanes - here's the shocker - there have been three hurricane landfalls in the US since 2009. Three. Yep. Three. We had one last year in Louisiana that was the first since Ike. Florida hasn't had a hurricane make landfall there since, I think, Wilma in 2005. Florida has never gone that long (not even close - Florida historically got hit 3 times every two years). Hurricanes are weaker and less frequent. It's gotten so bad we've taken to naming non-hurricanes and blizzards. (Not to take away anything from the damage done by Sandy).

And CO2 was measured at 400 ppm.

Now, I note that all the above are "weather" (except for the hurricane pattern. We're approaching a "trend" here in the US where we haven't had a Cat 5 hurricane since 1992 and where hurricanes are growing more infrequent). I have to look at facts, though. 400 ppm and the climate extremes we are seeing are either exceptionally normal weather or exceptionally cold. (Regional differences - we've actually been pretty warm and dry out here in Cali. No, I don't like it.)

I have a suspicion that we are just now starting to see what a climate changed world will be and future years may look like 2013 has so far. Check back with me in 2100 and we'll see if I'm right.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 444]

Don't confuse them with facts. Observations have invalidated all of the climate models. Frantic search underway for "missing heat". The meal ticket is running out for "climate scientists" and they are getting upset about it.

[kallend 2,150]

lawrocket

Arctic ice - normal - another thing that can change. So we can't say that the missing Arctic ice is causing this weather. Arctic ice is now at the highest extent in over a decade for this date.

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Really?

nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

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[lawrocket 3]

Wow. See that graph, John? Upper right. Dated today? With the extent within 2 standard deviations? Aka "normal limits?"

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Blues,
Dave

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brenthutch

Don't confuse them with facts. Observations have invalidated all of the climate models. Frantic search underway for "missing heat". The meal ticket is running out for "climate scientists" and they are getting upset about it.

If a controversy-based "meal ticket" was the motivation for climate scientists, somewhere around half of them would be coming at it from the other side, just to stoke the flames.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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lawrocket

Wow. See that graph, John? Upper right. Dated today? With the extent within 2 standard deviations? Aka "normal limits?"

This is a confusing argument. Are you suggesting that 95% of data are meaningless noise and the only data that should be considered significant are those in top and bottom 2.5%?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[lawrocket 3]

[Url]http://osisaf.met.no/p/ice_extent_graphs.php[/url]

The black 2013 line reveals that as wrote that, the sea ice extent was pretty well into the normal range. Almost at the baseline for average.

Not that it won't change. Look at what happened in 2012.

My initial criticism was that the cold weather we've had everywhere but California and Maine this winter has been attricuted to the loss of Arctic ice and its effect on the jet stream. I'm saying that if ice is not really low then it's not too much that.

I also note that "sixth lowest ever measured" can be pretty important, until "sixth lowest ever" means 6 out of 34. "Ever" only goes back 35 years.

See

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,150]

lawrocket

Wow. See that graph, John? Upper right. Dated today? With the extent within 2 standard deviations? Aka "normal limits?"

How is a value less than the same date a year ago consistent with "Arctic ice is now at the highest extent in over a decade for this date" (enquiring minds want to know)?

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kallend

***Wow. See that graph, John? Upper right. Dated today? With the extent within 2 standard deviations? Aka "normal limits?"

How is a value less than the same date a year ago consistent with "Arctic ice is now at the highest extent in over a decade for this date" (enquiring minds want to know)?

WHOOOSH......

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[lawrocket 3]

Is it the highest in a decade? I think it's at roughly the same level as it was in 1990. No telling what will happen in the coming months.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]Cold - I'm expecting that the ice break at Nenana will occur later than ever measured.