Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years

[Southern_Man 0]

kelpdiver

***Best thing to do would be to bar people with violent misdemeanors from buying guns. My understanding is that it is only certain felonies that are disqualifying. The best predictor of future violent behavior is past violent behavior.

this is largely incorrect, though I imagine the state variation can be considerable. CA, for example, includes many violent (and this is a very loosely defined term, much like sex offender" misdomeanors in the exclusion category.

Depends heavily on the state.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[Southern_Man 0]

Kennedy

***Best thing to do would be to bar people with violent misdemeanors from buying guns. My understanding is that it is only certain felonies that are disqualifying. The best predictor of future violent behavior is past violent behavior.

I disagree. Misdemeanors carry less consequences for a reason. They are less serious. Also, I've never heard that only certain felonies affect rights. Can you provide an example?


18 U.S.C. 921(a)(20)(A) expressly exempts certain white collar felonies such as antitrust or unfair trade practices.:

(20) The term "crime punishable by imprisonment for a term
exceeding one year" does not include -
(A) any Federal or State offenses pertaining to antitrust
violations, unfair trade practices, restraints of trade, or other
similar offenses relating to the regulation of business
practices, or

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[Kennedy 0]

Thanks. I'm more familiar with various states' laws. Didn't know about that one. Until now I'd only known about getting rights back after various non violent felonies. I had no idea the US didn't count them all for the federal felon-firearms laws.

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[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Ergo the "can buy a gun" card that Rush indicated Iowa has. Seems like a good solution to me. There's no record or tie between having the card and having actually bought a gun.

Wendy P.

No record is not what is being proposed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,602]

And that's why I like the card better.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

And that's why I like the card better.

Wendy P.

there could be still be big problems with it

That is the problem I have with the whole process

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>1 - go to liquor store
>2 - give ID to clerk
>3 - clerk calls the US department of alcohol sales and provides: the list of each item to be purchased, the ID number.
>4 - department does a check to make sure that the person on the ID has not aged in a non-linear way
>5 - department gives the go ahead to clerk
>6 - clerk records the approval and finishes the sale
(now the store and the gov department have a list of each bottle of beer, wine and liquor you just bought)

Or -

1) go to liquor store
2) give ID to clerk
3) clerk scans your ID
4) (bing!) approved
5) clerk completes sale

This actually happens now at some larger liquor stores. It's easier to train clerks to scan a card than check an age.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>1 - go to liquor store
>2 - give ID to clerk
>3 - clerk calls the US department of alcohol sales and provides: the list of each item to be purchased, the ID number.
>4 - department does a check to make sure that the person on the ID has not aged in a non-linear way
>5 - department gives the go ahead to clerk
>6 - clerk records the approval and finishes the sale
(now the store and the gov department have a list of each bottle of beer, wine and liquor you just bought)

Or -

1) go to liquor store
2) give ID to clerk
3) clerk scans your ID
4) (bing!) approved
5) clerk completes sale

This actually happens now at some larger liquor stores. It's easier to train clerks to scan a card than check an age.

I find it interesting that many would call for ID's and checks to purchase a gun
Yet, the fight ID checks to vote
And both are rights

Very selective I think

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[brenthutch 444]

***Correlation does not prove causality.
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With exception to CO2 and global warming.

[rushmc 23]

brenthutch

***Correlation does not prove causality.
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With exception to CO2 and global warming.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln