Remster 30
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewhich was promoted
by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members
Sampling fail.
I disagree
Shocking.
Ditto
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,118
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>Like that is a surprise
No more of surprise than your post.
>But 2nd Amendment supporters dont lie about where the Brady Campain stands,
>now do they........
Yes they do. A few threads back, someone was claiming that the polls on the US stance on background checks were all lies.
No more of surprise than your post.
>But 2nd Amendment supporters dont lie about where the Brady Campain stands,
>now do they........
Yes they do. A few threads back, someone was claiming that the polls on the US stance on background checks were all lies.
rushmc 23
Quote>Like that is a surprise
No more of surprise than your post.
>But 2nd Amendment supporters dont lie about where the Brady Campain stands,
>now do they........
Yes they do. A few threads back, someone was claiming that the polls on the US stance on background checks were all lies.
Hmm
Some one was lieing about where the Brady Campain stands on gun control?
I look forward to seeing that
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,118
>Some one was lieing about where the Brady Campain stands on gun control?
No, second amendment supporters were lying about where EVERYONE stands on gun control. (In their defense they may just be ignorant of how people in the US feel about universal background checks.)
No, second amendment supporters were lying about where EVERYONE stands on gun control. (In their defense they may just be ignorant of how people in the US feel about universal background checks.)
Remster 30
You do know what sampling bias is, yes?
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
Remster
airdvr 210
QuoteYou do know what sampling bias is, yes?
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
I think it is interesting and useful what the people charged with investigating crimes think about gun control. In that light it's no sampling bias.
Please don't dent the planet.
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Remster 30
QuoteQuoteYou do know what sampling bias is, yes?
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
I think it is interesting and useful what the people charged with investigating crimes think about gun control. In that light it's no sampling bias.
It's sampling bias that they asked members of a particular website. Had they done a proper survey, they would have asked law enforcement official at large.
Remster
rushmc 23
QuoteYou do know what sampling bias is, yes?
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
i know exactly what it is
The poll was used to get the opinions of the LEO community
Hense, a survey of LEO's
400,000 members
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Remster 30
QuoteQuoteYou do know what sampling bias is, yes?
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
i know exactly what it is
The poll was used to get the opinions of the LEO community
Hense, a survey of LEO's
400,000 members
But you don't use a website list of members... jeeez....
Remster
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou do know what sampling bias is, yes?
So, if you wanted to sample police officers, do you think polling the ones who are actively involved on a particular website is not biased?
It's like asking dz.com users if technology is important in skydiving.
i know exactly what it is
The poll was used to get the opinions of the LEO community
Hense, a survey of LEO's
400,000 members
But you don't use a website list of members... jeeez....
They polled thier community
400,000 LEO's
Verified (somehow) active or retired
You are going after this like you think the website has a bias.
I dont know that it is or is not biased
but
I looked at the site
It looks like a sales and resource website
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Remster 30
I give up.... You really need to read up on what is sampling bias.
Remster
rushmc 23
QuoteI give up.... You really need to read up on what is sampling bias.
Ya
I really do
BTW
Does being a certified Lean Six Sigma Black Belt mean anything to you?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Remster 30
Shows that The certification doens't mean much anymore...
You really do not see anything wrong with doing a survey using a list of people who registered to a website? And you call yourself a quality expert? Nice....
You really do not see anything wrong with doing a survey using a list of people who registered to a website? And you call yourself a quality expert? Nice....
Remster
Remster 30
On top of that, 15k responses out of 400k people asked to participate???? 6 Sigma? Really?
Remster
rushmc 23
QuoteShows that The certification doens't mean much anymore...
You really do not see anything wrong with doing a survey using a list of people who registered to a website? And you call yourself a quality expert? Nice....
Dude
I know what you are saying
I understand your point of view
I just dont agree
A group of 400,000 law enforcment personell were issued a survey
So what it if is memeber list
So it shows what the LEO's on that list think
15k responded
That is a large group by any polling measure dont you think?
You are suggesting that because they all belong to this site there is somehow an infered bias.
Ok
Show me
This is not a website for police in favor of the 2nd amendment (that I see anyway)
It is a website for police
So again
Show me where just being a member of this website infers bias?
I am not saying there is or isnt
You on the other hand..........
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
Also notice how I can reply without talking down my nose to you
My mother taught me better that to do that....
My mother taught me better that to do that....
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
You also cherry picked the opening
The rest being
The rest being
Quoteby PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law
enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel
were eligible to participate in the survey. The survey sample size was broadly distributed
by geography and rank in proportion to the U.S. law enforcement community at
large.Respondents comprised a variety of ranks from departments of all sizes, with the
majority representing departments of greater than 500 officers. Of those that took the
survey, 80 percent were current law enforcement officers and 20 percent were
former/retired law enforcement.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Remster 30
QuoteThat is a large group by any polling measure dont you think?
Don't you think that any survey where you only have 3% response rate adds significant bias? This is not the same as a 3% sample size. When you selected someone to be part of your sample (in this case the sample size is actually 400k) you better make sure they respond.
You should know that ensuring randomization of the sampled subjects is crucial, and therefore, getting such a low rate of response pretty much guarantees skewing of results.
But you would know all that being a 6 sigma professional right?
Remster
billvon 3,118
Well, hey, if they want to oppose background checks, they should be willing to pay the price for going against what 90% of Americans want.
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Senators Lose Support After Opposing Gun Background Checks, Poll Shows
Posted: 04/29/2013 11:54 am EDT
Senators in several states who voted earlier this month against increasing background checks for gun buyers have since seen their approval ratings noticeably drop, according to new polls released Monday by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski's (R-Alaska) net approval rating dropped 16 points, as she shed much of her previous cross-party appeal. Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) saw his numbers dive 18 points, from a positive to a negative rating.
Not all of the change can be attributed to the vote. Portman, for instance, saw his approval drop among Republicans when he announced his support for gay marriage in March. But in Alaska, Arizona, Nevada and Ohio, at least 60 percent of voters supported background checks, and many expressed disappointment with politicians who voted otherwise.
Fifty-two percent of Arizona voters said they were less likely to support Sen. Jeff Flake (R) for reelection due to his "no" vote, while 46 percent of Nevadans said the same of Sen. Dean Heller (R). More than a third of voters were less likely to back Portman as well as Alaska Sens. Mark Begich (D) and Murkowski. A previous PPP poll found that Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also saw her ratings tumble 15 points, likely due in part to her vote against background checks.
Much of the lost support comes from independent or moderate voters.
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Senators Lose Support After Opposing Gun Background Checks, Poll Shows
Posted: 04/29/2013 11:54 am EDT
Senators in several states who voted earlier this month against increasing background checks for gun buyers have since seen their approval ratings noticeably drop, according to new polls released Monday by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski's (R-Alaska) net approval rating dropped 16 points, as she shed much of her previous cross-party appeal. Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) saw his numbers dive 18 points, from a positive to a negative rating.
Not all of the change can be attributed to the vote. Portman, for instance, saw his approval drop among Republicans when he announced his support for gay marriage in March. But in Alaska, Arizona, Nevada and Ohio, at least 60 percent of voters supported background checks, and many expressed disappointment with politicians who voted otherwise.
Fifty-two percent of Arizona voters said they were less likely to support Sen. Jeff Flake (R) for reelection due to his "no" vote, while 46 percent of Nevadans said the same of Sen. Dean Heller (R). More than a third of voters were less likely to back Portman as well as Alaska Sens. Mark Begich (D) and Murkowski. A previous PPP poll found that Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also saw her ratings tumble 15 points, likely due in part to her vote against background checks.
Much of the lost support comes from independent or moderate voters.
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Shocking.
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