Russian Scientists: ‘We Could Face Cooling Period For 200-250 Years’

[rushmc 23]

Just for consideration





http://www.thegwpf.org/we-cooling-period-lasts-200-250-years-russian-scientists-claim/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

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Just for consideration







http://www.thegwpf.org/russian-scientists-we-face-cooling-period-200-250-years/

Not quite sure where you are trying to send us, but I don't think its the same place we go when we click that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

http://www.thegwpf.org/we-cooling-period-lasts-200-250-years-russian-scientists-claim/

I will try again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Not sure what happened
I just copy the address and paste

Oh well
Fixed (I think)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

Interesting - but watch out for scrutiny regarding the source.

If it isn't a government controlled information site - it ain't real.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

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Interesting - but watch out for scrutiny regarding the source.

If it isn't a government controlled information site - it ain't real.

I's got me kevlar undies on

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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I's got me kevlar undies on

Why would you need kevlar undies if it's going to get cooler?

Seriously, to make any conclusions about the veracity of these "predictions" one would have to know the basis for their predictions of "low solar activity", and the basis by which they conclude that low solar activity = lower temperatures on Earth. Got any information on that?

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[rushmc 23]

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I's got me kevlar undies on

Why would you need kevlar undies if it's going to get cooler?

Seriously, to make any conclusions about the veracity of these "predictions" one would have to know the basis for their predictions of "low solar activity", and the basis by which they conclude that low solar activity = lower temperatures on Earth. Got any information on that?

Don

No

but that is not ever my point

Point is, the science is not settled
If it were then there would be no reason to make predictions like this
There is too many unknowns. (which include the unknown of what "normal" might be)

But, in hind sight, it is about the correct time to predict it being cold again

I remember we were all going to freeze to death (by now) back in the 70's
So, it has been about 50 years or so
Time to re-cycle all the disaster senarios again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[popsjumper 2]

Dang Russkies...just like the Canooks. Not content to be freezin'-ass cold themselves...they have to drag it down here to the rest of us, too.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[lawrocket 3]

Yet another so-called "prediction" in climate science.

Of course, it is not any sort of "prediction" because there isn't a damned set of legs for it to stand on. The use of the word "could" vitiates any validity of prediction. It also means that if it doesn't happen, the scientist never said it would. But if it does happen, the scientist will say, "I predicted it."

It's not prediction. It's guessing.

Here's a "prediction" that I'll make: "The sun could release a solar flare in excess of X3 pointed at the earth within the next 30 days."

Is there anything out there to suggest that it won't happen? Nope. I'll issue a press release and create some attention. Then if it doesn't happen (which is a probability) it won't be a big deal because I never said it "would" happen.

Here's another: "An earthquake in excess of 6.5 could hit the Newport-Inglewood fault before the new year." Yeah? No shit.

"Grimsvotn could begin to exhibit signs of an impending volcanic eruption within the next 60 days."

"The average price of gasoline in the US could rise 25 cents per gallon by June 1."

These all qualify as "predictions" in climate science. Drives me nuts.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Dang Russkies...just like the Canooks. Not content to be freezin'-ass cold themselves...they have to drag it down here to the rest of us, too.

shit Andy we are gonna have to move further south

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

[rushmc 23]

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Yet another so-called "prediction" in climate science.

Of course, it is not any sort of "prediction" because there isn't a damned set of legs for it to stand on. The use of the word "could" vitiates any validity of prediction. It also means that if it doesn't happen, the scientist never said it would. But if it does happen, the scientist will say, "I predicted it."

It's not prediction. It's guessing.

Here's a "prediction" that I'll make: "The sun could release a solar flare in excess of X3 pointed at the earth within the next 30 days."

Is there anything out there to suggest that it won't happen? Nope. I'll issue a press release and create some attention. Then if it doesn't happen (which is a probability) it won't be a big deal because I never said it "would" happen.

Here's another: "An earthquake in excess of 6.5 could hit the Newport-Inglewood fault before the new year." Yeah? No shit.

"Grimsvotn could begin to exhibit signs of an impending volcanic eruption within the next 60 days."

"The average price of gasoline in the US could rise 25 cents per gallon by June 1."

These all qualify as "predictions" in climate science. Drives me nuts.

+1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[CanuckInUSA 0]

The Chicago Cubs could win the 2013 World Series.

LOL ... yeah I know, I know. I crack myself up.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[rushmc 23]

This whole AGWing thing is a lot like Rachel Carson's effect on the health of millions of humans on this planet

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rhaig 0]

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Here's a "prediction" that I'll make: "The sun could release a solar flare in excess of X3 pointed at the earth within the next 30 days."

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/massive-solar-flare/

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The Earth has a roughly 12 percent chance of experiencing an enormous megaflare erupting from the sun in the next decade.

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Rob

[lawrocket 3]

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Here's a "prediction" that I'll make: "The sun could release a solar flare in excess of X3 pointed at the earth within the next 30 days."

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/massive-solar-flare/

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The Earth has a roughly 12 percent chance of experiencing an enormous megaflare erupting from the sun in the next decade.

You deniers are all alike. This could happen in thirty days. It could happen tomorrow. Think global warming is a risk? Millions will be dead within a week - and tens of millions within months if a Carrington-level event happens, which is could. In the next thirty days.

Denier. Just look at the science. It could happen within thirty days.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

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You deniers are all alike. This could happen in thirty days. It could happen tomorrow. Think global warming is a risk? Millions will be dead within a week - and tens of millions within months if a Carrington-level event happens, which is could. In the next thirty days.

Denier. Just look at the science. It could happen within thirty days.

Get yer guns now!

[rhaig 0]

well, the second sentence of the linked article has a prediction then....

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This event could potentially cause trillions of dollars’ worth of damage and take up to a decade to recover from.

And for that matter, it could happen next week!

--
Rob

[livendive 8]

The earth could get warmer, stay the same, or get cooler. Based on all observations since we developed reasonably accurate methods of measurement, which seems most likely?

We could keep doing the exact same things we've been doing, cross our fingers, and hope that our impacts are either positive or insignficant. Alternately, we could take reasonable steps to try to prepare for whatever changes we determine to be most likely.

Doing nothing, or doing something, that's really the choice we have to make. Every person's individual tolerance for change will affect how they view the choice. For me, it seems wise to review existing data and theories, acknowledging that none of them are perfect but some of them are likely to be more accurate than others, change the things I can, and prepare for whatever likely changes are outside of my sphere of influence.

For example, my client intends to stop contracting with my employer at the end of September. The client has informed me that they intend to offer me my current job. My employer has expressed an interest in retaining me and finding me another position elsewhere. My wife and my lifestyle depend on me working. I can keep doing what I'm doing and hope things work out, or I can try to keep as many options open as possible, in case things go off the rails. I also have the option of delaying action until October first, when I can be certain of what my options are, but if unfavorable, I'll be an awful long ways behind the curve. So what am I doing? I'm keeping in contact with my employer to see what options they have available. I'm continuing to do my job and maintaining a good relationship with my client. I'm continuing to study at night in pursuit of a master's degree that should open up more options. And I'm regularly watching job postings and sending resumes to those that look particularly interesting. Change is certain. My actions are intended to promote the most favorable outcome. I suppose you could call it "hedging my bets". Sitting on the sidelines to watch what happens just isn't in my nature. YMMV.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rehmwa 2]

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The earth could get warmer, stay the same, or get cooler.

whoa, whoa, whoa
slow down a bit there....

let's not go get people all spun up now

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[kelpdiver 2]

your employment situation has rather fewer variables than climate science.

Client wants you, employer doesn't, pick client
reverse, pick employer
Both, pick one
Neither, use night school opportunities to move forward.

I note, however, that you did not quit prematurely to become a self sustaining farmer, which would be self sustaining for both carbon and as a living.

[livendive 8]

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your employment situation has rather fewer variables than climate science.

Client wants you, employer doesn't, pick client
reverse, pick employer
Both, pick one
Neither, use night school opportunities to move forward.

I note, however, that you did not quit prematurely to become a self sustaining farmer, which would be self sustaining for both carbon and as a living.

Not many:
World gets warmer and we're somewhat prepared for it.
World gets warmer and we absorb the impacts.
World stays the same, but we pollute less and slow our roll on finite resources.
World stays the same and we keep consuming/polluting at our current rate.
World gets cooler, while we prepared for it to get warmer.
World gets cooler, while we absorb the impacts.

I'm not suggesting the world economy switch to hemp as its major form of currency. There are much more feasible and robust options available to us. There are also people in this forum who think cars that burn less fuel are a bad thing, and anyone in favor of conserving finite resources is a socialist.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[kelpdiver 2]

Dave, you're confusing variables with outcomes.

Employer wanting or not wanting you directly leads to you have an option to keep working there or not.

What are the variables that determine if the world gets warmer or not? It's a massive combination of c02, methane, solar output, earth orbits, ice levels, ocean heat absorption capacity and so many more. You can fix one of these values (equal to Employer wants you) and still have little idea of the outcome.

Personally, I think the reasons for fuel efficiency are better supported for nationalist reasons (better for America) or sustainability than for Global Warming concerns.

[livendive 8]

I am not entirely in control of whether the climate changes or stays the same, or whether any particular company wants me to work for them. All I can do is try to ensure any influence I have on the outcome is positive, and be prepared in the event it doesn't go the way I'd like.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[DanG 1]

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I am not entirely in control of whether the climate changes or stays the same, or whether any particular company wants me to work for them. All I can do is try to ensure any influence I have on the outcome is positive, and be prepared in the event it doesn't go the way I'd like

Or you could deny that your employment situation could possibly change, or that you could have any influence over the change.

And don't forget to call everyone who suggests you try to improve your situation 'liberal alarmists'.

- Dan G