Bertt 0 #51 April 29, 2013 Sorry, I wrote too much. What I meant to say was: What is the justification for outlawing one thing that's got crime associated with it and not outlawing some other thing that has crime associated with it?You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #52 April 29, 2013 QuoteSorry, I wrote too much. What I meant to say was: What is the justification for outlawing one thing that's got crime associated with it and not outlawing some other thing that has crime associated with it? You mean like . . . say . . . Illegal Immigration?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #53 May 1, 2013 http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/29/i-team-website-allows-users-to-rate-prostitutes/ This is a pretty good article. It's got a good hook, but then goes on to discuss the issue, concerns, and what some folks want to do to fix things.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 May 1, 2013 QuoteWhat a lot of people don't see are all the other crimes surrounding prostitution. It isn't just about sex. It's about the violence, the drugs, the theft, the persons crimes, property crimes. It is staggering how much crime and violence surrounds the sex trade. You can nip away at the surrounding crimes or go after the center and help deter all the surrounding crimes at once. I don't disagree with this, but don't see it as a reason not to legalize it. Even after legalization there will be a sebset which will continue without following regulations and laws. This illegal subset will continue to have other criminal elements and associations. However, completely banning it has not done anything to combat the criminal element. Should it be legalized, there is an option for both prostitutes and john's to work in a regulated and legal industry. It would allow Law Enforcement to truly focus on the criminal underbelly of prostitution and related crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #55 May 1, 2013 QuoteWhat a lot of people don't see are all the other crimes surrounding prostitution. It isn't just about sex. It's about the violence, the drugs, the theft, the persons crimes, property crimes. It is staggering how much crime and violence surrounds the sex trade. You can nip away at the surrounding crimes or go after the center and help deter all the surrounding crimes at once. This is going to be totally unfair of me, but here goes anyway. QuoteWhat a lot of people don't see are all the other crimes surrounding prostitution guns. It isn't just about sex guns. It's about the violence, the drugs, the theft, the persons crimes, property crimes. It is staggering how much crime and violence surrounds the sex guns trade. You can nip away at the surrounding crimes or go after the center and help deter all the surrounding crimes at once. Hmmm...quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #56 May 1, 2013 Quote This is going to be totally unfair of me, but here goes anyway. QuoteWhat a lot of people don't see are all the other crimes surrounding prostitution guns. It isn't just about sex guns. It's about the violence, the drugs, the theft, the persons crimes, property crimes. It is staggering how much crime and violence surrounds the sex guns trade. You can nip away at the surrounding crimes or go after the center and help deter all the surrounding crimes at once. Hmmm... not so much unfair but ass backwards. guns are a symptom of the drugs, the crime, not the head vampire behind them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #57 May 2, 2013 QuoteQuoteWhat a lot of people don't see are all the other crimes surrounding prostitution. It isn't just about sex. It's about the violence, the drugs, the theft, the persons crimes, property crimes. It is staggering how much crime and violence surrounds the sex trade. You can nip away at the surrounding crimes or go after the center and help deter all the surrounding crimes at once. This is going to be totally unfair of me, but here goes anyway. QuoteWhat a lot of people don't see are all the other crimes surrounding prostitution guns. It isn't just about sex guns. It's about the violence, the drugs, the theft, the persons crimes, property crimes. It is staggering how much crime and violence surrounds the sex guns trade. You can nip away at the surrounding crimes or go after the center and help deter all the surrounding crimes at once. Hmmm... Decent try, but you missed the mark. Last time I went to the gun shop, there weren't victims of human-trafficing kept on a steady diet of beatings and drugs working the counter to make an ammo sale. Actually, I take it back, it wasn't even a decent try. You can do better.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #58 May 2, 2013 Dave, this is purely a theoretical discussion, but IF no guns were available anywhere in the US, do you think the overall crime rate would be as high?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #59 May 2, 2013 Quotenot so much unfair but ass backwards. guns are a symptom of the drugs, the crime, not the head vampire behind them. They are an enabling technology.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #60 May 2, 2013 None legally available, or none physically available?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #61 May 2, 2013 QuoteNone legally available, or none physically available? None. Period. Full stop.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #62 May 2, 2013 QuoteDave, this is purely a theoretical discussion, but IF no guns were available anywhere in the US, do you think the overall crime rate would be as high? Yes I do.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #63 May 2, 2013 QuoteDave, this is purely a theoretical discussion, but IF no guns were available anywhere in the US, do you think the overall crime rate would be as high? Where there has been an increase in the carry of guns by law abiding citizens, it has occurred that there has been a decrease in violent crime rate during that same period of time. (correlation only) This has happened in multiple places. Personally I think we would see an increase in crimes like robbery, rape, non firearm murders and assault, but it would countered by a decrease in the murder rate. I think over-all "violent crime" would go up. Not astoundingly, but some. The question becomes then, IF you had that magic button to "POOF!" make all the guns go away, which would be better, a few thousand more dead people (not hitting the button), or 55,000-2,500,000 more victims of violent crime (hitting the button). Those numbers are the range of defensive gun use estimates depending on whose numbers you pay attention to. Assuming 55K, and using the 2011 UCR data, that would come out to about 669 more murders, 3800 more rapes, 16K robberies, and 34K more aggravated assaults. Compare that to 8,583 firearms murders in 2011. which is better? edit to add: and if we don't go with the low ball estimates of defensive gun uses, but still cut the mid-range estimates in half, then it's 8583 less firearm murders vs 6690 more non-firearm murders plus 38000 rapes, 160000 robberies, and 340000 aggravated assaults.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #64 May 2, 2013 QuoteDave, this is purely a theoretical discussion, but IF no guns were available anywhere in the US, do you think the overall crime rate would be as high? Significantly higher. And MS-13 style killings would skyrocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #65 May 2, 2013 QuoteQuoteNone legally available, or none physically available? None. Period. Full stop. So, take away my semi-auto rifle... ...and trade it for a full auto ak-47/74 (made in any number of the countries who voted down the UN Bill recently), which I'll be forced to purchase in the black market, if I want a rifle. Your logic is spot on, Quade! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #66 May 2, 2013 QuoteQuoteNone legally available, or none physically available? None. Period. Full stop. That's speculative fiction, downright fantasy. When you get the story fleshed out, send it to me. I'm a great proof-reader.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #67 May 2, 2013 It'd be just as high or worse. Also, if someone waved a magical wand and made all firearms disappear, there would be more within days. Even if you secured the borders and prevented all smuggling and importation, there would be guns within weeks. From your basic zip gun to rough cut derringers, guns would be on the scene in short order. Skipping all that, pretending the magic wand is powerful enough to get rid of guns and keep them from reemerging, that wouldn't stop violent crime as committed with guns today. For evidence I offer the entirety of human history. The only difference is that guns allow weak and frail to defend against larger attackers more effectively than most any other weapon. Taking away guns not only removes all firearms related violent crimes, it also removes every defensive gun use (DGU), and there are a lot more DGUs than there are gun crimes.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #68 May 2, 2013 QuoteIt'd be just as high or worse. And some considered my question "speculative fiction." The truth is, nobody does nor can possibly know. So it is with the question of prostitution.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #69 May 2, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteNone legally available, or none physically available? None. Period. Full stop. That's speculative fiction, downright fantasy. When you get the story fleshed out, send it to me. I'm a great proof-reader. Bejeeezus...he was only putting out a hypothetical... My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
