Awwwe - Poor guys lost their trophy.[sad]

[jakee 1,610]

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What an incredibly sick assumption to make.

*sigh* Typical.
Wha's so "sick" about Turtle's post? What assumption did he make? I missed it.

Is that because you think it was just a joke or did you genuinely not see it?

Did you "genuinely not see" this part of the article?

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"If you see how confined this space is, and you realize the chaos that existed on this street, I think it's understandable. It's not that surprising," NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

"It's very, very confined and no construction work went on, or no clean up went on in this 18-inch space between the two buildings" after the attacks.

Even so, he said investigators are looking at all possibilities, including whether the part was intentionally placed between the two buildings.

"We are also looking into a possibility it was lowered by a rope," Kelly said, adding that a piece of rope appeared to be intertwined with the part.

But Kelly said an initial survey found no marks on the walls between the two buildings consistent with such an object being lowered. He also it appears that there is a break in the rope and that it came down from the roof on top of the plane part.

I'm not saying it was taken and placed there for later, but even NYPD hasn't ruled it out as possible.

For your question to make any sense whatsoever you would have to explain how that part of the article makes the thread title any less of an assumption.

I'll wait

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[billvon 3,132]

>If it was a trophy, I'd think they would hide it in the deep-dark secret chamber, only to
>be viewed by the most-trusted members of the mosque. (but, that's not where it was
>found)

Bit too much logic for Speaker's Corner methinks.

>If it was lowered by a rope, it may be a set-up to cast a bad light on the mosque.

Whoah! By not assuming the worst when it comes to Muslims, you will be relegated to "clueless liberal" status by Gravitymaster, Turtle, RushMC and similar types on this forum. Are you sure you want to lose the respect of those august representatives of the far right?

[popsjumper 2]

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What an incredibly sick assumption to make.

*sigh* Typical.
Wha's so "sick" about Turtle's post? What assumption did he make? I missed it.

I'm assuming they mean the implication in his title. I saw no assumption within the post. I think it was all direct quote. I think they mean he assumed the mosque took or kept the plane debris as a trophy, and they are calling that a sick assumption.

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If we all accept that he was assuming the worst about the mosque, you still need to justify your judgment of it being "sick". Plenty of people assume the worst about plenty of folks, and it doesn't get called sick, even when it is outside the realm of possibility (which this one is not, per NYPD).

It would be sick on the part of the mosque if the assumption were true, I think we can all agree on that. Beyond that I'd need you to support your position. I'm not psychic, and I'm not going to discuss why I think you mean, just toget dismissed as creatin a strawman.

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>If it was a trophy, I'd think they would hide it in the deep-dark secret chamber, only to
>be viewed by the most-trusted members of the mosque. (but, that's not where it was
>found)

Bit too much logic for Speaker's Corner methinks.

>If it was lowered by a rope, it may be a set-up to cast a bad light on the mosque.

Whoah! By not assuming the worst when it comes to Muslims, you will be relegated to "clueless liberal" status by Gravitymaster, Turtle, RushMC and similar types on this forum. Are you sure you want to lose the respect of those august representatives of the far right?

Ha!Ha! You're a funny man!

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[oldwomanc6 60]

AND, you're a shit stirrer.



But no one has ever called me a lib.

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[turtlespeed 226]

Is it sick because it May be true . . .

Or that it may NOT be true?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[jakee 1,610]

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If we all accept that he was assuming the worst about the mosque, you still need to justify your judgment of it being "sick". Plenty of people assume the worst about plenty of folks, and it doesn't get called sick, even when it is outside the realm of possibility (which this one is not, per NYPD).

You might want to stop digging while you're only a long way behind.

First, I haven't yet characterised the assumption as sick, that was Quade. I responded to Popsjumper when he questioned whether there was an assumption at all. Second, the part of the article you quoted has nothing to do with judging whether the assumption was sick, only whether it was an assumption at all. Since you have now changed tack to the 'sick' part of things I guess we can take that as an acknowledgement that your first post to me was mistaken and your question was nonsensical, yes?

Second, can the assumption be described as sick? Yes it can, for reasons that are not difficult to find. At face value the statement is jumping to the cnclusion that this group of people are venerating an object related to the mass murder of their fellow countrymen. That's sick. Imagine if you were accused of collecting murder weapons for the purpose of fantasising about the murders committed with them. Is that accusation normal or twisted?

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Beyond that I'd need you to support your position. I'm not psychic, and I'm not going to discuss why I think you mean, just toget dismissed as creatin a strawman.

In the context of your previous post you're going to have to explain how this statement makes any sense whatsoever.

I'll wait

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gravitymaster 0]

Thanks for st least aknowledging the clueless part. Now go back and re-read what I said.

[billvon 3,132]

>Plenty of people assume the worst about plenty of folks, and it doesn't get called
>sick, even when it is outside the realm of possibility (which this one is not, per NYPD).

Yes. And often it does get called "sick." For example, if someone read about the Boston bombing, and claimed that "it was really the cops who did it so they could get more money" it would be a pretty sick thing to say.

[Kennedy 0]

Actually I'd say it was dishonest or stupid. The only way it approaches "sick" is if they're so nuts they believe anything, but that is sick because it approaches a diagnosable mental illness, not sick because of assuming negative motives.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Actually I'd say it was dishonest or stupid.

That too. But claiming that cops planted the bomb to get more money is pretty sick as well - especially if you just hate cops and want to smear them as much as possible.

[jakee 1,610]

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Actually I'd say it was dishonest or stupid. The only way it approaches "sick" is if they're so nuts they believe anything, but that is sick because it approaches a diagnosable mental illness, not sick because of assuming negative motives.

When you have to pretend to think that the only common usage of the word 'sick' in English is as a medical term in order to support your point, you may want to consider the wisdom of continuing with that point.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Actually I'd say it was dishonest or stupid. The only way it approaches "sick" is if they're so nuts they believe anything, but that is sick because it approaches a diagnosable mental illness, not sick because of assuming negative motives.

When you have to pretend to think that the only common usage of the word 'sick' in English is as a medical term in order to support your point, you may want to consider the wisdom of continuing with that point.

In fact, given the author of the comments in question, one could pretty safely rule out all medical, legal, and/or technical definitions of any words used.

Going further... if you ever find yourself taken aback by something anyone writes in Speakers corner, just replace the adjectives they used with "bad" or the noun with "bad things", "bad people", or "bad places" and you'll better understand the viewpoint you're arguing with.

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You just gave OhChute a run for his money on trolling skillz... *slow clap*

I think you're going a bit far with you reference.

[Kennedy 0]

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Actually I'd say it was dishonest or stupid. The only way it approaches "sick" is if they're so nuts they believe anything, but that is sick because it approaches a diagnosable mental illness, not sick because of assuming negative motives.

When you have to pretend to think that the only common usage of the word 'sick' in English is as a medical term in order to support your point, you may want to consider the wisdom of continuing with that point.

What, you think he meant "sick" in a good way? 'Sick ride bruh, gnarly wave.' Come on. Tell me. What does it so obviously mean? The bastardization of the English language is not my fault. Failure to communicate clearly is not the fault of the audience. If he wanted to say he disagreed with or disapproved of OP's viewpoint, he should say so and share his judgment, rather than saying "sick". It's about as precise as kallend's "nutter" classification.

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[quade 4]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sick

Sorry you're having trouble here. Definitions 2 through 4 are all valid in this case.

quade -
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[Kennedy 0]

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sick

Sorry you're having trouble here. Definitions 2 through 4 are all valid in this case.

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2.
a. Mentally ill or disturbed
b. Unwholesome, morbid, or sadistic
3. Defective; unsound
4.
a. Deeply distressed; upset
b. Disgusted; revolted
c. Weary; tired
d. Pining; longing

Please explain which specifically applies to turtle and his assumption.

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[quade 4]

I'm sorry, but who elected you the Mayor of Speaker's Corner which means you get to demand such a thing?

It's my opinion. You can disagree with it and defend the bigoted and sick point of view if you wish, but I'm under NO obligation to play your little mind games.

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[jakee 1,610]

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What, you think he meant "sick" in a good way?

No. Because, as you are well aware, that is not the only alternative.

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Failure to communicate clearly is not the fault of the audience.

A valid point... except that in this case the audience does understand, with the sole exception of you. And you also understand, you're just pretending not to. (Did you know Dr Dre doesn't have a medical degree?)

In fact, by making the medical definition of that one word the focus of your disagreement with Quade, it seems likely that in fact you do agree with what he meant.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,610]

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2.
a. Mentally ill or disturbed
b. Unwholesome, morbid, or sadistic
3. Defective; unsound
4.
a. Deeply distressed; upset
b. Disgusted; revolted
c. Weary; tired
d. Pining; longing

Please explain which specifically applies to turtle and his assumption.

Take a guess.

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[Kennedy 0]

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Please explain which specifically applies to turtle and his assumption.

I'm sorry, but who elected you the Mayor of Speaker's Corner which means you get to demand such a thing?

It's my opinion. You can disagree with it and defend the bigoted and sick point of view if you wish, but I'm under NO obligation to play your little mind games.

Wow, full of hate much? I asked you to explain your point of view. If you'd said it was sickening, I never would have opened my mouth, so to speak. Sickening means it makes you sick. Fine. That's how you react to it. No right or wrong there. Folks react differently, some reasonably, some not so much. However you didn't talk about how turtle's comment made you feel or how you thought others would react. You characterized it as bad in and of itself by calling it "sick". If you can't or won't support your judgment of the comments, don't be surprised if you get slapped down, and don't spew venom at those who do.

nb - I never said I agreed with turtle or thought he was correct. I merely explained to pops what some were saying, and then tried having a back and forth with jakee. He apparently can't tell me from other posters and his comments make a rats' nest seen clear and logical.

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[jakee 1,610]

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Sickening means it makes you sick. Fine.

Turtlespeed's argument could have made him diagnosably medically ill?

Holy placebo effect, Batman!

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He apparently can't tell me from other posters

Show me one sentence I have written to you that you think was responding to another poster's comments.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,132]

I find when the person I am talking to tries to redefine words to win an argument - or claims to have forgotten the common meanings of words - it's a good time to bow out of an argument.