Hilfinger, Klein, got nothin on the Triangle Girls...

[ChrisD 0]

Bangladesh

I hope everyone with designer jeans, etc sleeps well tonight!



All we have done is globaley shifted disease, strife, and sickness from American shores to other nations that we can exploit!

How about that Shark Tank! Do ya think they are going to bring up whats happened in Bangladesh?

Considering the ethnic one makes billions off the backs of the dead, I wonder if they worry about shifting production to other countries?

How would you like to go to work being beaten with a bamboo pole, then only to have your 8 story building collapse. Can you say macy's?

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

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I'm sure there was a point in there somewhere. Who are we angry at, again?

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I'm sure there was a point in there somewhere. Who are we angry at, again?

Evil Corporations.

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[ChrisD 0]

No, this little tidbit got overshadowed by the recent festivities in Boston. A building in Bangladesh fell down, it was full of women and children, forced into the building by their employer: Whalmart, Calvin, Tommy, etc,.
This particular company touts itself as providing the "quality" "American Designer" Brands have come to expect! Rumor has it if any of the employees were caught stealing clothing, that was then later resold on ebay, they then had either their eys put out or their children were put to death or mutilated in front of them. I'm not makin this up...

Unfortunatly my sources , or better said, you wont find any conformation of this from a Murdock media news organization....nor the BBC although the BBC did cover the building falling down.

Oh' they knew the building was in the process of falling down in advance...The girls and children were trying to leave the building, some even refused to enter...but it's kind of hard to "just say no to a [baseball] bat."

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

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.. forced into the building by their employer: Whalmart, Calvin, Tommy, etc,.

Complete and utter bullshit.

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Rumor has it if any of the employees were caught stealing clothing, that was then later resold on ebay, they then had either their eys put out or their children were put to death or mutilated in front of them. I'm not makin this up...

Of course you are..."Rumor has it....."


Off the deep end into the pool of uniformed ranting.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[Andy9o8 2]

I sorely hate to have to say this: I think he has a point on this one.

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I sorely hate to have to say this: I think he has a point on this one.

I really hope you mean pops, and not ChrisD...

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I sorely hate to have to say this: I think he has a point on this one.

I really hope you mean pops, and not ChrisD...

Sigh, nope.

[popsjumper 2]

Some will believe anything....

Yet, "overshadowed" has some quite little merit.
But I wasn't addressing that part.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[popsjumper 2]

Do you have something more solid than "rumor"?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Andy9o8 2]

If we knew the sweatshop/labor camp conditions the (mostly third-world) foreign workers who produce our consumable products must endure, we'd hardly buy anything; for said conditions are, very frequently, deplorable.

You'd never buy diamonds again for all those wives you've got lined up , you'd never eat chocolate, never drink coffee, never buy a product containing rubber, never buy garments made in Bengladesh. Re: the Bengladesh example, I think the default (even if rebuttable) presumption is that they worked under deplorable conditions in a building that was so poorly constructed it was a disaster waiting to happen. Yes, the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire atrocity is probably a fitting historical comparison.

[airdvr 210]

When should we start referring to you as Muhammed?

Please don't dent the planet.

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When should we start referring to you as Muhammed?

When I arrive at the mountain. Comrade.

[weekender 0]

just to put the record straight. humans rights groups have asked garment companies to endorse an agreement calling for better enforcement of safety standards by manufacturers. the only big brand retailer to sign on is PVH. they are the parent of Calvin Klein and Tommy Hilfiger. so your title is just plain wrong. they are trying to do the right thing.

I wanted more reasonable minded people to know you are smearing the wrong people.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[wmw999 2,589]

Link to article from New York Times. "Forced to work" is the term used for "told they would be fired if they didn't work." Of course, in Bangladesh, the alternative to losing your job isn't going out to the job store and getting another, as lots of people seem to think is the case in the US. It means your children starve.

Nearly 250 dead so far. Businesses in the lower floors (the legal ones) closed when cracks were discovered. Businesses in the upper (unlicensed and illegal) floors instructed their employees to continue working.

Actual evidence has been found for the production of Mango and Primark clothing; activists have stated lots of others, but there isn't confirmation yet.

Yeah, these are people way far away, who will never sue or create news headlines. But, ya know -- they have children and parents who love them, and would be just like us if they'd been born where we all live, instead of where they do.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Arvoitus 1]

How is the fault of evil American corporations that they built a shitty mall in some ass backwards town in the middle of a jungle, then after the building was deemed a danger and that people shouldn't stay in it, they went ahead and stayed inside anyway?

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

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http://www.labornotes.org/blogs/2013/04/supply-chain-workers-tell-walmart%E2%80%99s-dirty-secrets


I'll post more if and when I can find stuff when it makes print, unfortunatly there is a rather large majority out there that for some reason thinks this kind of stuff dosen't happen??


I'll also try to find the latest (public) punishment from Al Jezera, allthough that's tough, as soon as aljerkerea stuff gets posted the (real) internet censors here in the USA delete it, can't even find it on some of the overseas site's. Latest one was a kid stealing something and they beat him till he went unconscious, then when they stuck him with a (something) he woke, so for lying they cut off one foot!

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

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How is the fault of evil American corporations that they built a shitty mall in some ass backwards town in the middle of a jungle, then after the building was deemed a danger and that people shouldn't stay in it, they went ahead and stayed inside anyway?

Your use of the mocking term "evil American corporations", and framing the issue in hyper-narrow factual terms, are chickenshit discussion tactics on several levels, but whatever.

A subset of the concept "Corporate social responsibility" is for corporations which economize by outsourcing labor offshore to assure that physical working conditions in offshore facilities are safe and humane. Personally, I happen to feel it is wrong for corporations to profit from their products being produced under unsafe or inhumane conditions offshore that would not be legally permitted had the facilities been located in their own countries. The Nike offshore working conditions controversy, for example, is but one example of this.

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If we knew the sweatshop/labor camp conditions the (mostly third-world) foreign workers who produce our consumable products must endure, we'd hardly buy anything; for said conditions are, very frequently, deplorable.

You'd never buy diamonds again for all those wives you've got lined up , you'd never eat chocolate, never drink coffee, never buy a product containing rubber, never buy garments made in Bengladesh. Re: the Bengladesh example, I think the default (even if rebuttable) presumption is that they worked under deplorable conditions in a building that was so poorly constructed it was a disaster waiting to happen. Yes, the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire atrocity is probably a fitting historical comparison.

So the "he has a point" is in reference to horrific working conditions and the Triangle comparison in general?

What about the "mutilate your children in front of you for theft" rumor claim?

Admittedly there's some pretty horrific stuff that happens in places like this.
And a lot of it can be blamed on American consumerism.
We want all the crap and we want to pay as little as possible for it.
So the unscrupulous will do whatever necessary to get the product on the shelves at the lowest price. No matter what the true "cost".

One of the reasons I try very hard to buy "responsibly."
Fair trade coffee is one. Not perfect,, but better than it might otherwise be.
US made is another. Not always possible and usually more expensive when it is, but worth the price to me.

But of course, that means that I'm now denying those poor workers in other countries the opportunity to have a job and support themselves and their families.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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>How is the fault of evil American corporations that they built a shitty mall in some ass
>backwards town in the middle of a jungle, then after the building was deemed a
>danger and that people shouldn't stay in it, they went ahead and stayed inside anyway?

It's not. You just might not want to support companies that do that in the name of making a buck. (Or you might want to, up to you.)

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>How is the fault of evil American corporations that they built a shitty mall in some ass
>backwards town in the middle of a jungle, then after the building was deemed a
>danger and that people shouldn't stay in it, they went ahead and stayed inside anyway?

It's not. You just might not want to support companies that do that in the name of making a buck. (Or you might want to, up to you.)

Not much has changed since this triangle shirt waist factory fire of 1911 where the owners locked the girls in so they wouldn't cut out early.

I believe they hold a ceremony in NYC every year.

Dirt balls, all for the sake of enriching themselves off the backs of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire

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Dirt balls, all for the sake of enriching themselves off the backs of others.

What would YOU be doing if nobody did that?

Man...you really hate business owners don't you?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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If we knew the sweatshop/labor camp conditions the (mostly third-world) foreign workers who produce our consumable products must endure, we'd hardly buy anything; for said conditions are, very frequently, deplorable.

You'd never buy diamonds again for all those wives you've got lined up , you'd never eat chocolate, never drink coffee, never buy a product containing rubber, never buy garments made in Bengladesh. ......

True dat.
And those workers wouldn't have jobs and would be starving.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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>How is the fault of evil American corporations that they built a shitty mall in some ass
>backwards town in the middle of a jungle, then after the building was deemed a
>danger and that people shouldn't stay in it, they went ahead and stayed inside anyway?

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You just might not want to support companies that do that in the name of making a buck. (Or you might want to, up to you.)

Companies that do what?
-Contract with a local companies to buy their products?
-Have no say in local building codes?
-Have no say in how local goobermints are run?
-Have no say on hiring policy of the vendors?

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. If you really want change, hammer the local goobermint that allows this shit to happen. You think U.S. companies are the only ones involved? I would suspect otherwise. You think any one U.S. company is going to make a big dent in the problem even if they did what you ask?

No realistic change is gonna happen on a case-by-case basis. You will be dead and buried before you see any appreciable improvements on the whole. Take note of the list in post#11.

I can see it now...it's coming...
"So, what you are saying is do nothing because it won't make a difference."

Stow it and re-read.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[wmw999 2,589]

Hammering the US gummint for "allowing" imports from countries with doubtful safety records won't go very far; the companies doing the importing have far more money and influence than individuals. Boycotting products with doubtful safety record pedigrees is more likely to work, especially when combined with a good publicity scheme.

As long as people want goods for the cheapest possible price, it'll keep happening. And there's always someone poor and miserable enough to work in subhuman conditions. I suppose you could say that subhuman work is better than no work at all, but the answer to many objections to working condition and pay 'issues' is something to the effect that no one is making htem work there

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)