ryoder 1,590 #1 April 23, 2013 http://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomberg-says-post-boston-interpretation-of-the-constitution-will-have-to-change/ “Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms." Yes, Mr Bloomberg, it is nice of you to warn us about yourself."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 April 23, 2013 What's the big deal? Many on here say the same thing. Said one poster, "I'm in favor of the entire Constitution. It's an absolutist interpretation I have a problem with when it comes to things people over 200 years ago never could have possibly imagined are being talked about I have an issue with." Bloomberg, bless him, is honest enough to point out he has no desire to go through the trouble of amending the Constitution. Bloomberg thinks stare decisis sucks ass. He thinks that the Constitution ad written sucks ass - probably because he's mayor and there's just so much he cannot do because the Constitution is pesky. I do thank Mayor Bloomberg for laying down the gauntlet and rather than arguing this "living breathing Constitution" stuff and straight out saying we need to stop seeing the Constitution as protecting individual rights and start switching it to "what the 4th amendment should say is that government searches are per se reasonable." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #3 April 23, 2013 This guy said this “Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11,” he said but yet the citizens cant be trusted to take up arms and defend themselves? Fucking brilliant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #4 April 23, 2013 QuoteThis guy said this “Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11,” he said but yet the citizens cant be trusted to take up arms and defend themselves? Fucking brilliant. Maybe if those citizens with arms weren't killing over 9,000 of their fellow citizens each year with those arms you would have a point. The gun murder rate in the USA suggests that maybe those citizens can't be trusted as much as you seem to think.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #5 April 23, 2013 A vast majority of those crimes perpetrated were by criminals. So lumping law abiding citizens into that group of vastly undeducated people with no actual value added to soceity is ok in your book? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 April 23, 2013 Quote Maybe if those citizens with arms weren't killing over 9,000 of their fellow citizens each year with those arms you would have a point. The gun murder rate in the USA suggests that maybe those citizens can't be trusted as much as you seem to think. queue up the usual arguments about cars, tobacco, drinking, and big macs, which kill far more. (At least you didn't include suicides in your figure, a common gambit) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #7 April 23, 2013 Quote A vast majority of those crimes perpetrated were by criminals. Crimes committed by criminals? Whatever next?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #8 April 23, 2013 >A vast majority of those crimes perpetrated were by criminals. Actually all crimes are perpetrated by criminals. By definition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #9 April 23, 2013 Apparently MORE laws piled on top of existing ones that will somehow magically make a criminal stop his criminal behavior? I know, it's just silly to expect that. BOHICA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 April 23, 2013 Quote queue up the usual arguments about cars, tobacco, drinking, and big macs, which kill far more. (At least you didn't include suicides in your figure, a common gambit) How dare you? Those people can't help it, and now at least they can get health insurance at an affordable price because the healthy will be paying more for them. That's just wrong. I saw the commercials. The poor blind lady without legs who couldn't get insurance because they wouldn't cover her pre-existing conditions caused by evil corporations. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 April 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteThis guy said this “Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11,” he said but yet the citizens cant be trusted to take up arms and defend themselves? Fucking brilliant. Maybe if those citizens with arms weren't killing over 9,000 of their fellow citizens each year with those arms you would have a point. The gun murder rate in the USA suggests that maybe those citizens can't be trusted as much as you seem to think. I wonder what fraction of the gun murders in the US are committed by people legally allowed to own said guns. Personally, I'd like to see all inmates serving time for marijuana released, and a dramatic increase in the conviction and sentencing of felons found in possession of guns. If Jimmy Joe Gangbanger knows he's facing 5 years if caught carrying a gun, he might be a bit more hesitant. I'm currently job-hunting and found a position in Baltimore that looked promising. After a couple minutes of looking around, I found that the city has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country, yet the state will not issue concealed carry permits. So much for that job. That got me to wondering though, so I looked a little deeper. In the US, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, and the District of Columbia are all CCW-free...they don't issue them. Within them, Baltimore, Chicaco, Newark, and Washington all rank in the top 20 for per capita violent crime. "Shall Issue" (excluding mitigating circumstances) and "May issue" (only issue if specific circumstances are met) states are reasonably distributed across the spectrum of violent crime rates in large cities, but "Shall not issue" are all in the top 20. Oh well, those cities weren't high on my list anyhow. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #12 April 24, 2013 Bloomberg has been spouting off like a fucking idiot since he got elected mayor. Thank fuck I don't live in his district. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 April 24, 2013 Quote Bloomberg has been spouting off like a fucking idiot since he got elected mayor. Thank fuck I don't live in his district. You and NYC are galaxies removed from each other. It works for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #15 April 24, 2013 Bloomberg has been spouting off like a fucking idiot since long before he got elected mayor. He's just gotten a bigger audience since then.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #16 April 24, 2013 QuoteBloomberg has been spouting off like a fucking idiot since long before he got elected mayor. He's just gotten a bigger audience since then. I can certainly agree with that. At that age, you know they've been that way for some time."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 April 24, 2013 Nothing succeeds like success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #18 April 24, 2013 Only if you're successful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #19 April 24, 2013 That's my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 April 24, 2013 Quote What's the big deal? Many on here say the same thing. Said one poster, "I'm in favor of the entire Constitution. It's an absolutist interpretation I have a problem with when it comes to things people over 2000 years ago never could have possibly imagined are being talked about I have an issue with." Sounds like an argument about the Bible or KoranWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #22 April 24, 2013 Well since Joe Biden came out and said that no ordinary americans care about their constitutional rights. I guess that makes me extraordinary. http://www.westernjournalism.com/biden-no-ordinary-american-cares-about-their-constitutional-rights/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 April 24, 2013 QuoteWell since Joe Biden came out and said that no ordinary americans care about their constitutional rights. That's not what he said. I listened to it - the headline mis-quoted him, and you're just repeating the mis-quote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #24 April 24, 2013 Bloomberg has the cash (to attempt) to influence gun friendly states like Montana. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.boldprogressives.org/images/MTBillingsGaz-9.889x21.5.pdf 79% support background checks? We already have background checks. The first time I walked into my favorite watering hole in Montana, an old cowboy shook my hand and said, "welcome to Montana; don't try to change us". That is exactly what the toads today are tying to do. Nope, I'm no toad.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 April 24, 2013 Quotethe toads Hey, thanks for not jumping on the bandwagon of demonizing those who you disagree with on this issue. Lesson of the day: Want to get people to listen to you with an open mind? Call them "toads". That'll warm up the audience right quick! Classic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
