Illegal Mayors Against Guns’ Gets Yet Another Member

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Here are the type of people advocating more gun control.


http://www.gunnews.com/illegal-mayors-against-guns-gets-yet-another-member/

[Andy9o8 2]

The Vulcans currently observing Earth, to determine when it's safe to make First Contact with us, have access to our Internet. On that narrow basis, they've concluded that Americans' expression of opposition to gun control is a form of mental illness. Oh, well; that's science for you.

[Kennedy 0]

Well, since Vulcans use(d) weapons and believe in both self defense and military strength, I'm guessing they'd view the lies, deception, projection, and irrational fear of particular inanimate objects as mental illness. Plenty of folks down here think so as well. One proposed title was hoplophobia.

ps - yeah the op is embarassing and I'd happily disclaim him, but he reached the right conclusion here, even if he got to it the wrong way.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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yeah the op is embarassing and I'd happily disclaim him, but he reached the right conclusion here, even if he got to it the wrong way.

Much like that saw about chimpanzees, typewriters and Shakespeare.

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The liberal mind is so fascinating. When beat in an argument they resort to off topic circuitous BS that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Kennedy 0]

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yeah the op is embarassing and I'd happily disclaim him, but he reached the right conclusion here, even if he got to it the wrong way.

Much like that saw about chimpanzees, typewriters and Shakespeare.

You'll get no argument from me. You could even have mentioned broken clocks and such.

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[DiverMike 5]

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if an infinite number of monkeys were left to bang on an infinite number of typewriters, sooner or later they would accidentally reproduce the complete works of William Shakespeare

Actually, the truth about infinity is that the monkeys would reproduce the complete work of Shakespeare an infinite number of times - not just once. Unfortunately, infinity only exists in mathematics.

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[skypuppy 1]

whats interesting is that in such a short time, so many of these mayors have ended up embarrassing themselves,

A significant percentage. Obviously they're quick to jump on a bandwagon but live in glass houses.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[rehmwa 2]

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Unfortunately, infinity only exists in mathematics.

tell you what, get in a rocket and go straight in one direction (avoiding obstacles, etc)

let me know when you hit the end - order me an omelet

(I like thread drift)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[toolbox 0]

>The liberal mind is so fascinating............

Yep! It works very well for them in truth twisting, incitement, and propaganda.

[AndyBoyd 0]

Yep, liberals are the only ones who do this. Conservatives only use facts and logic when they argue. Especially conservatives like the OP.

[Boomerdog 0]

Well, when the Vulcans do decide to make contact with us, I'm sure they'll be interested in understanding our history and of course when the designated human explains I'm sure one Vulcan will reply, "Illogical but fascinating."
I'm not going to attempt to allay your concerns or your fears that you believe are legitimate in this debate. Accordingly, I'll share mine here.
When seconds count and your life hangs in the balance confronting an assailant, the cops are minutes away. So...I carry a gun with a permit. Why do I carry a gun? Simple...a cop is just too heavy. Here in Virginia (where I live) we have a pretty low violent crime rate simply because as a "shall issue" State of concealed carry permits, many Virginians have CCW permits and at any given time in any crowd of people no one knows who's packing and who's not and the dirtbags think twice. Yes there have been tragedies such as the VTech killings. I'm not going to say this massacre was an aberration. I will call it a monstrous tragedy and little can be said up or down will bring comfort to the surviving family members. In a free society, the sad fact we balance is that free will is also exercised by the evil and the violent much to our sorrow. Even in a disarmed society, NO ONE is going to prevent such sorrow and misery.
There is also a question about vesting to the federal, state, and local governments, a monopoly on violence. I don't believe in the perfectibility of human beings and when human beings obtain power that is unchecked, they see opportunities to exert their influence we "the little people" have to endure. A healthy and rational mistrust of elected politicians is necessary and I want those elected politicians to keep in the back of their minds that if they get too far out of line, the guns will be pointed at them to cease and desist. We are a governed people; governed at our consent; NOT a ruled people. Deterence works.
Finally, let's discuss an item of common ground...skydiving. I think all of us can agree to a large extent that the privilidges and fun we all enjoy as skydivers is balanced by a sense of individual and collective responsibility we all adhere to and establish in the community. I don't find the rules and guidelines excessive. I also get a sense in both observation and discussion that skydivers both collectively and individually don't like outsiders meddling with the sport. Give a bunch of politicians and bureaucrats an opening to impose additional regulations on us that in our learned and experienced opinion amounts to something more useless than cow patties, then watch the rebellion and the pushback ensue. Remember, that when there's no one left to come after, they'll be coming after you! Would you rather die standing up or live on your knees?

[Andy9o8 2]

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I'm not going to attempt to allay your concerns or your fears that you believe are legitimate in this debate.

You're being most presumptuous about me.

[Boomerdog 0]

And respectfully I state, feel free to enlighten me.

[Andy9o8 2]

Sorry, I realize you're a newer member here and don't really know my posting history, but I've simply got issue exhaustion on this. To summarize my long posting history (and my feelings), I'm a moderate on the issue. But when I see people use silly or counter-productive debate tactics, I often don't resist pointing it out. Thus, for example, my post #2 here. That's about it.

[DiverMike 5]

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tell you what, get in a rocket and go straight in one direction (avoiding obstacles, etc) let me know when you hit the end - order me an omelet

Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

The world is finite and bounded, as is the universe (until God tells me otherwise).

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[rehmwa 2]

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Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

do they have omelets?

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[Kennedy 0]

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Unfortunately, infinity only exists in mathematics.

tell you what, get in a rocket and go straight in one direction (avoiding obstacles, etc) let me know when you hit the end - order me an omelet

Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

The world is finite and bounded, as is the universe (until God tells me otherwise).

The original statement is just stupid. Infinity is an idea, just like, zero. Some cultures didn't have a concept of zero. Same with negative numbers. Don't even get me started or irrationals. Just because some putz doesn't understand a concept, that has no bearing on whether the concept is true or accurate. One person's failure to understand does not invalidate knowledge. If it did, all math, science, psychology, etc would be invalid.

For your point, yes, the earth is a sphere of limited size and scope. That has no impact on how far one can travel on the globe. One can travel an infinite distance by merely continuing to circle the globe.

And unless God has already personally told you everything you know about the physical universe, don't expect him to pop in and settle this one for you. So unless you have access to information that scientists do not, how have you so firmly decided that it is finite?

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[Kennedy 0]

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Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

do they have omelets?

I like pancakes.

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[kallend 2,118]

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Unfortunately, infinity only exists in mathematics.

tell you what, get in a rocket and go straight in one direction (avoiding obstacles, etc) let me know when you hit the end - order me an omelet

Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

The world is finite and bounded, as is the universe (until God tells me otherwise).

The original statement is just stupid. Infinity is an idea, just like, zero. Some cultures didn't have a concept of zero. Same with negative numbers. Don't even get me started or irrationals. Just because some putz doesn't understand a concept, that has no bearing on whether the concept is true or accurate. One person's failure to understand does not invalidate knowledge. If it did, all math, science, psychology, etc would be invalid.

For your point, yes, the earth is a sphere of limited size and scope. That has no impact on how far one can travel on the globe. One can travel an infinite distance by merely continuing to circle the globe.

And unless God has already personally told you everything you know about the physical universe, don't expect him to pop in and settle this one for you. So unless you have access to information that scientists do not, how have you so firmly decided that it is finite?

And even if you stop after just one circuit of the Earth you will still have passed by an infinite number of points along your path.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

do they have omelets?

I like pancakes.

I'm happy to stop when someone invokes religion on it - it's a non-starter at that point. Fortunately, most people are able to separate personally held beliefs from physics and math. Those that won't (I specifically used "won't") tend to fuel those biased against people of faith.

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[kallend 2,118]

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Start walking/swimming in straight line around the equator and tell me when you get to the end of the world.

do they have omelets?

I like pancakes.

I'm happy to stop when someone invokes religion on it - it's a non-starter at that point. Fortunately, most people are able to separate personally held beliefs from physics and math. Those that won't (I specifically used "won't") tend to fuel those biased against people of faith.

Why should "faith" get a pass with respect to violating the rules of math and the laws of physics?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DiverMike 5]

Points of clarification:

1. Put me down for a Western Omelette
2. I don't really believe God (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster) talks to me
3. IMHO, there are not an infinite number of points on the Earth, if you accept that the smallest measurable distance is the plank distance of 1/616199 x10 -35 m. If you posit that there are an infinite number of points on the earth, then it follows that the universe is infinite because it contains the earth.

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[rehmwa 2]

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Why should "faith" get a pass with respect to violating the rules of math and the laws of physics?

it doesn't, I just don't bother with the discussion for that tiny segment of people because it's a waste of my time and theirs.

For that matter, I don't give 'faith' a pass or judgement. I take each individual only and act accordingly. They don't represent ALL the faithful any more than I represent everyone of a more agnostic persuasion. Stereotypes are for the lazy.

Just because a tiny percentage people of faith lean a bit "too much" on some silly stuff, doesn't mean we get carte blanche treat the majority of the rest as having the same issues. Most are able to keep perspective just fine.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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smallest measurable distance is the plank distance of 1/616199 x10 -35 m

does anyone here remember the name of the (estimated/theorized) max possible density achievable? I don't recall how to find that number.... (googling)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants