GOP & The Deep South - Champions of Morality & Family Values

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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Now you are using the wide brush

Those who do stupid things get whats coming
But you wish to attach this to the party as a whole and that is BS. And you know it

The real war on women is coming from the left

But the left, with the lap dog media, sell and spin it as you are doing

Those like Jindal just want th media to like him like they do the Dems
This will never happen

Another Ronald Reagan canidate would clean house in an election. At this moment there is no one with the communications skills to overcome the media bias

But one will show up
And he/she will win

But they will have to survive a detrmined media that will try and destroy them

Just as they are trying NOW to do to Carson and Rubio

You are in denial Marc.

The war on women is coming from those who make preposterous statements about female physiology.
And who are trying very hard to ban abortion.

The Rs in general are out of touch. Look at a lot of Romney's statements. Here in Wisconsin, the governor is gutting education while giving tax breaks to the rich.

The extremism in the primary elections pretty much guarantees that the final candidate will be unelectable (although that isn't confined to the Rs).
That fact alone would guarantee that Reagan would never make it out of the primaries. The Tea Party would cut him to ribbons over his spending record.
And the Tea Party has pretty much marginalized itself. They started off with a fairly good idea, fiscal responsibility. But then blew themselves up when they decided that social responsibility (as long as you agreed with their view of it) was a part of their platform. I agreed with them at the beginning, but they lost me when they decided to dictate morals.

It isn't the media that is making the ridiculous statements. They are just reporting them. The "media bias" card has been shown to be false.
If not, why do the Ds want to "equalize" talk radio?

I've voted R for most of my life. Even for GWB. Although that was far, far more an "against the other guy" than a "for" vote.

But I can't anymore. The Rs have become as much of a "Do as I say, not as I do" and "Do what we say, we know best, even though we don't apply it to ourselves" elitist party as the Ds.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 23]

The extreme is from the left

This is why the right looks so far away to you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 3]

He's just not going to pay attention. Not to Jindal, not to you.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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The extreme is from the left

This is why the right looks so far away to you

Ummm...

No. I'm fairly conservative. More Libertarian than actual Republican, but I've voted mostly R for all of my life. Until lately.

They have moved away from me.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 23]

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He's just not going to pay attention. Not to Jindal, not to you.

I am fully engaged

I am just not drinking the left brewed cool aid

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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The extreme is from the left

This is why the right looks so far away to you

Ummm...

No. I'm fairly conservative. More Libertarian than actual Republican, but I've voted mostly R for all of my life. Until lately.

They have moved away from me.

No, they havent

But the playing field is being changed

I know there are some stupid canidates out there
Romney is in that catagory for me

But those like Andy here, want to wide brush the party

I suppose because it makes them feel better. And the left functions on emotion more that thought (for the most part)

The main body of the party is mainly the same. The eletes would have us think differently
Cause they are at the same pig feeder that the eletes on the left are feeding at

At the very very top, two parties do not exist IMO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 3]

I say again, the GOP is hemorrhaging women's votes with this ignoramus shit. Women who look at Sanford are not going to see his fiscal conservatism; they're going to identify with his betrayed wife. They will look at her and say "There but for the grace of God go I." They will be disgusted by him, and by the stooges who put him on the ballot; and after smiling sweetly at their fathers and husbands, they will register that disgust in the privacy of the voting booth.

They're also hemorrhaging votes of self-respecting conservative men like you, and this is why.

[rushmc 23]

They're also hemorrhaging votes of self-respecting conservative men like you, and this is why.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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They're also hemorrhaging votes of self-respecting conservative men like you, and this is why.

This may be debatalbe but one thing is for sure
Voting Dem is far worse

[wmw999 2,602]

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We may be approaching a crossroads. Where the Ds and Rs drive enough people away to create a different and viable alternative.

It's happened in the past.

I was hoping it was happening with the Tea Party, but it git co-opted by the social conservatives.

Coming from the other side of the political spectrum, I was also kind of interested in the TP. However, here in Houston, it was co-opted by the social conservatives pretty quickly.

I'd be all over a third party -- particularly if we were to go to a multi-party coalition system.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[airdvr 210]

Wait! Did you even look at the picture?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Andy9o8 3]

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Wait! Did you even look at the picture?

Hm? Oh, the pic in the story keeps changing through the day. Yeah, the chick's a hottie. No, that won't garner him more female votes.

[93626392 0]

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The real war on women is coming from the left

Huh? Care to explain that?

[lawrocket 3]

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Coming from the other side of the political spectrum, I was also kind of interested in the TP. However, here in Houston, it was co-opted by the social conservatives pretty quickly.

The Tea Party without the social conservatives exists - libertarian.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[NWFlyer 2]

We're all missing the part of this story that's the most fun (and that will provide all kinds of Comedy Central late night fodder):

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He will face Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch, the sister of television comedian Stephen Colbert, in May's special election.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[rushmc 23]

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The real war on women is coming from the left

Huh? Care to explain that?

Talk to Obama
He is the one under paying and demeaning the female staff at the white house

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[NWFlyer 2]

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Talk to Obama
He is the one under paying and demeaning the female staff at the white house

Source? (Serious question... if this has been in the news, I missed it).

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[wmw999 2,602]

Do you have systematic examples? Or is this just something you heard on a radio show that you agree with?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Do you have systematic examples? Or is this just something you heard on a radio show that you agree with?

Wendy P.

Radio?

No
It is what I read

So, what radio show tells you what to think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,602]

I keep forgetting that your userid is your name, and not based on Rush Limbaugh -- sorry about that

That said, the dailymail article indicates that,

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Though the White House is not setting a great example, it is doing better than most: a recent national survey claims that women still make 23 cents less than men for every dollar earned

, it's better than the general population, and better than either Bush or Clinton.

How to get all the way there? Well, the power structure has to change, just as it does for minorities. People in power will hire people they are comfortable with, play golf with people they are comfortable with, go to ball games with people they are comfortable with, and as long as those people in power are generally male, well, the differential will probably continue, too.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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I keep forgetting that your userid is your name, and not based on Rush Limbaugh -- sorry about that

That said, the dailymail article indicates that,

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Though the White House is not setting a great example, it is doing better than most: a recent national survey claims that women still make 23 cents less than men for every dollar earned

, it's better than the general population, and better than either Bush or Clinton.

How to get all the way there? Well, the power structure has to change, just as it does for minorities. People in power will hire people they are comfortable with, play golf with people they are comfortable with, go to ball games with people they are comfortable with, and as long as those people in power are generally male, well, the differential will probably continue, too.

Wendy P.

So Obama gets another pass

I expected that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[NWFlyer 2]

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/18/white-house-record-on-women-should-be-better/
The Forbes article addresses both issues; definitely sounds like there's some "there there" but it also doesn't sound all that different from a lot of U.S. employers. Not that that's a GOOD thing, per se, and it would be nice to see the White House hold itself to a higher standard (overall, I agree with the author's premise that the records should be better). But the reality is that the White House staff are all products of U.S. workplaces of various types, and arrive with that experience of "how things are" under their belt.

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As it is important to place all of this in context, it must be noted that this White House does have a better record on women than its predecessors. But it seems completely fair to ask whether that is good enough—particularly when the President wishes to claim the mantle of being an equal rights president crusading for women’s opportunities in the workplace.

So, y'know, neither side is getting this one right.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[rushmc 23]

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/18/white-house-record-on-women-should-be-better/
The Forbes article addresses both issues; definitely sounds like there's some "there there" but it also doesn't sound all that different from a lot of U.S. employers. Not that that's a GOOD thing, per se, and it would be nice to see the White House hold itself to a higher standard (overall, I agree with the author's premise that the records should be better). But the reality is that the White House staff are all products of U.S. workplaces of various types, and arrive with that experience of "how things are" under their belt.

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As it is important to place all of this in context, it must be noted that this White House does have a better record on women than its predecessors. But it seems completely fair to ask whether that is good enough—particularly when the President wishes to claim the mantle of being an equal rights president crusading for women’s opportunities in the workplace.

So, y'know, neither side is getting this one right.

So Obama gets another pass

Got it

Can you see the national headlines had a story similar to these came out about Bush?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[NWFlyer 2]

I don't see how pointing out that neither side is getting this right is "giving a pass." Just to make sure I'm perfectly clear, "neither side" includes both Democrats (including the Obama administration), and Republicans.

Unless you'd like to show me articles that show that the Republicans are doing much better than Democrats in their treatment of women in the workplace, I'm going to stand by this one for now.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke