Colorado going for death for theater shooter. It's about time!

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/01/justice/colorado-theater-shooting-prosecution/index.html

[BillyVance 35]

I guess it depends on your POV based on your relationship to the case. Some of the victims and victims' family members would rather see him get life without parole and throw away the key so they can move on, versus having to go through subsequent court appeals in a death penalty case.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[ryoder 1,590]

Swell; More of my tax dollars wasted on a nutcase.
Billy has it right: Lock him up and throw away the key.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Andy9o8 2]

Killing nut-cases who murder will certainly act as a deterrent to other nut-cases whose personal pet zombies tell them to contemplate murder. As a side benefit, it will also earn us the respect of the rest of the world. A win-win!

[BillyVance 35]

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Swell; More of my tax dollars wasted on a nutcase.
Billy has it right: Lock him up and throw away the key.

Right there in the Colorado SuperMax too.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[ryoder 1,590]

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Killing nut-cases who murder will certainly act as a deterrent to other nut-cases whose personal pet zombies tell them to contemplate murder. As a side benefit, it will also earn us the respect of the rest of the world. A win-win!

So you're going to maintain this persona all day, eh?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Andy9o8 2]

Go shoot up a reefer, you hippie.

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States need to put time limits on appeals and caps on attorney's pay. Then it might be cheaper to do away with these nutjobs as they really deserve death. This guy planned this thing for months. It's the liberals who have turned life into the least expensive route.

[jakee 1,596]

Meaning what, exactly? From Wiki: Colorado was the last state to perform an execution in the pre-Furman period (1967),[1] but since 1977 executed only one prisoner, and may thus be considered as de facto abolitionist since 11 October 2007

From the article: Last week defense attorneys filed documents saying Holmes had offered to plead guilty and spend the rest of his life behind bars in exchange for avoiding the death penalty.... "Not only improper, but grossly improper," prosecutors said in a Thursday court filing. "For the intended purpose of generating predictable publicity."


Hmmm.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Skyrad 0]

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Swell; More of my tax dollars wasted on a nutcase.
Billy has it right: Lock him up and throw away the key.

Right there in the Colorado SuperMax too.

Well said, supermax this loon.

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Go shoot up a reefer, you hippie.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[ryoder 1,590]

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Go shoot up a reefer, you hippie.

You aren't going to throw a coffee cup at me, are you?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Andy9o8 2]

Virtually nobody charged with a death penalty offense in the US can afford to pay legal fees. That aside, death penalty lawyers in the US are among the lowest-compensated attorneys in the criminal justice system, especially considering the level of skill required to provide a competent enough defense that it complies with an accused's right to counsel.

Once again, you do zero research; you just make shit up for the sake of the sound byte, and to troll for a reaction. Even your fellow conservatives (the self-respecting ones) find you to be an embarrassment.

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No, a teacup.
-B

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[GeorgiaDon 380]

Well, let's hope it doesn't turn out like the Brian Nichols case in Georgia. While on trial for kidnapping and rape, Nichols beat a sheriff's deputy who was guarding him unconscious, stole her gun, then entered the courtroom and shot and killed the judge and court reporter, all recorded on video. As he was escaping the building, he was confronted by another deputy, who apparently hesitated to shoot because of all the people around. Nichols wasn't so concerned, he shot and killed the deputy. He then proceeded to carjack at least five vehicles and escaped from the area. Later that night he entered a house that was being renovated by the owner, who happened to be a federal agent (ICE). He shot and killed the agent. After all that he carjacked another woman and took her hostage, but eventually she convinced Nichols that he would never be able to escape and he surrendered to authorities. So, four murders and numerous assaults and carjackings, two of the murders (the judge and the court reporter) on camera and another (the deputy) in front of dozens of witnesses. Seems cut and dried, doesn't it? The prosecution pushed for the death penalty, although Nichols offered to plead guilty in exchange for life without parole.

So what happened? He was convicted, but one juror resisted the death penalty, so he was sentenced to several consecutive terms of life without parole. The same sentence he offered to accept, if the prosecution would take the death penalty off the table.

What did this cost the taxpayer? Nichol's defense cost the taxpayers of Georgia $3.2 million dollars. So much, that it drained the state's fund for indigent defense. As a result, the state couldn't provide a defense for dozens of other indigent defendants, and their cases were dismissed as they could not be afforded a trial in a reasonable time frame.

I hope the good taxpayers of Colorado are not in for a similar soaking. It seems to me to be a reasonable risk that the Aurora shooter will be found to have "diminished capacity", if he isn't found to be outright insane, making him ineligible for the death penalty. I suspect pushing for the death penalty is just a ploy for publicity by the prosecutor's office.

Don

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[lurch 0]

The ludicrousness of the rigidly formalized nature of the system... cannot acknowledge obvious reality without first having a formalized "finding". I bet after he surrendered, they were still referring to him as the "suspect".

Kills two people on camera but no, he's not guilty till we do this 3.2 million dollar theatrical pageant.

There ought to be an "obvious emergency extremity" clause that says, when you see a guy commit multiple murders with your own eyes and he poses an imminent threat to the species, you can dispense with the formality of labelling him a "suspect"...he's a "known"... just take him out back and plug him. No big show trial, no fame, just dispose of it like you would a mad dog. Maybe the knowledge of the low, ignominious end they'll come to would act as a deterrent, lot of these guys get off on knowing it'll cost millions to give em their little courtroom theater.
-B

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[Andy9o8 2]

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deterrent

Absolutely. See, zombies, op. cit.

[rehmwa 2]

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Some of the victims and victims' family members would rather see him get life without parole and throw away the key so they can move on, versus having to go through subsequent court appeals in a death penalty case.

that's a non-point - those people are already victims. Whatever justice is decided (execution or lifetime imprisonment, etc) is about protecting all of society, not just a handful of individuals from any further crimes. making the victims "feel better" is just a side effect at best - if they were the focus, then it's not justice, it would be revenge - a totally different concept.

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deterrent

Absolutely. See, zombies, op. cit.

I don't see how washing the undead with detergent makes any sense.


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Virtually nobody charged with a death penalty offense in the US can afford to pay legal fees. That aside, death penalty lawyers in the US are among the lowest-compensated attorneys in the criminal justice system, especially considering the level of skill required to provide a competent enough defense that it complies with an accused's right to counsel.

Once again, you do zero research; you just make shit up for the sake of the sound byte, and to troll for a reaction. Even your fellow conservatives (the self-respecting ones) find you to be an embarrassment.

Attorneys for MD and VA sniper case got 20 million. Malvo got life. Mohammad got death. 20 million for a few years work is low pay? Where do I sign up?

[jakee 1,596]

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Attorneys for MD and VA sniper case got 20 million.

Did they?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[BillyVance 35]

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Attorneys for MD and VA sniper case got 20 million.

Did they?

How about a cite? Where's the info?

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Opie 0]

It got pretty quiet in here, I guess it's hard to cite stuff you just make up.

[wmw999 2,589]

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I guess it's hard to cite stuff you just make up

He read it on Google.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Lawyers don't work for the state for free. Count up 10yrs of legal fees at $400 per hour. Also, please consider the book the attorney said he was going to write as additional money earned. Not sure if the book was published. Facts are: it should not cost more to put someone to death than to feed and cloth, provide healthcare, health club equipment to a convicted murderer for the rest of his life.