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airdvr 210
QuoteQuoteQuoteSocialised health care is awesome. Just saying.
*flees*
And if we had only 23 million people it could be awesome here, too.
We don't have 23 million. It wouldn't be awesome.
Yup. Sad to say that's the sticking point with quite a few things we do over here that I reckon would be awesome for you guys - the sheer difference in scale, coupled with differences in culture and political approach just mean it's never going to work the same.
I also read the wall of text (you may not have read that novel but you could sure write one!)
Looks spot on to me, from the outside looking in. Too big to fix?![[:/]](//www.dropzone.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png "[:/]")
You said earlier that you don't use the healthcare system. I'll suggest that you're probably not the best reference source.
Please don't dent the planet.
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mistercwood 287
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSocialised health care is awesome. Just saying.
*flees*
And if we had only 23 million people it could be awesome here, too.
We don't have 23 million. It wouldn't be awesome.
Yup. Sad to say that's the sticking point with quite a few things we do over here that I reckon would be awesome for you guys - the sheer difference in scale, coupled with differences in culture and political approach just mean it's never going to work the same.
I also read the wall of text (you may not have read that novel but you could sure write one!)
Looks spot on to me, from the outside looking in. Too big to fix?
You said earlier that you don't use the healthcare system. I'll suggest that you're probably not the best reference source.
I've been using it quite extensively for the last 2 months, and have been quite happy with it. You may take note that the two main scenarios I mentioned involved what would normally be considered moderately costly procedures - free of charge.
I'd say I'm a perfect reference - I pay into the system same as everyone else, but rarely draw from it. Do I bitch about my taxes being wasted? Fuck no, I'm glad I have a safety net when I need it.
You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.
OHCHUTE 0
My doc friends tell me they've quit taking medicare patients: gov't doesn't pay them enough plus the patients don't show up or do what they're told to do.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteMy doc friends tell me they've quit taking medicare patients: gov't doesn't pay them enough plus the patients don't show up or do what they're told to do.
Doctors should be required to take a certain minimum quantity/percentage of Medicare/medicaid patients as a condition of maintaining their licenses to practice. They'll still be able to live quite comfortably.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteQuoteMy doc friends tell me they've quit taking medicare patients: gov't doesn't pay them enough plus the patients don't show up or do what they're told to do.
Doctors should be required to take a certain minimum quantity/percentage of Medicare/medicaid patients as a condition of maintaining their licenses to practice. They'll still be able to live quite comfortably.
Why?
As a matter of social ethics. They work hard, and they've earned it; but even still, they're among the highest-earning professionals in American society, more than docs pretty much anywhere else in the world. It won't bite them all that much to pay a little bit forward to society.
1969912 0
QuoteQuoteMy doc friends tell me they've quit taking medicare patients: gov't doesn't pay them enough plus the patients don't show up or do what they're told to do.
Doctors should be required to take a certain minimum quantity/percentage of Medicare/medicaid patients as a condition of maintaining their licenses to practice. They'll still be able to live quite comfortably.
WTF?
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
Andy9o8 2
QuoteWTF?
Oh, well, when you put it that way, that changes everything.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteMy doc friends tell me they've quit taking medicare patients: gov't doesn't pay them enough plus the patients don't show up or do what they're told to do.
Doctors should be required to take a certain minimum quantity/percentage of Medicare/medicaid patients as a condition of maintaining their licenses to practice. They'll still be able to live quite comfortably.
Here we go
Taking yet more freedons away
You demonstrate the very mind set that is taking this country down the shitter
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy doc friends tell me they've quit taking medicare patients: gov't doesn't pay them enough plus the patients don't show up or do what they're told to do.
Doctors should be required to take a certain minimum quantity/percentage of Medicare/medicaid patients as a condition of maintaining their licenses to practice. They'll still be able to live quite comfortably.
Why?
As a matter of social ethics. They work hard, and they've earned it; but even still, they're among the highest-earning professionals in American society, more than docs pretty much anywhere else in the world. It won't bite them all that much to pay a little bit forward to society.
Here you go again
YOU want to define the social ethics of this country
Who the hell are you to do this?
Example number 2 of the mind set that is taking this country down the shitter
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Andy9o8 2
QuoteYOU want to define the social ethics of this country
Who the hell are you to do this?
Example number 2 of the mind set that is taking this country down the shitter
Everyone defines social ethics. That's how it works.
Funny how for 200 years there's always someone Chicken Little-ing about how the country's going down the shitter. And yet it's never gone down the shitter. There's a recognizable pattern in that.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteYOU want to define the social ethics of this country
Who the hell are you to do this?
Example number 2 of the mind set that is taking this country down the shitter
Everyone defines social ethics. That's how it works.
Funny how for 200 years there's always someone Chicken Little-ing about how the country's going down the shitter. And yet it's never gone down the shitter. There's a recognizable pattern in that.
I think that lawyers make too much money when compared to all the trouble they cause
And since it is because of them (lawyers) that legal sevices cost so much, I think they should be required to give 10 hours a week in services to those who can not afford the rates these rich bastards charge. And these 10 hours should be over and above any court apointed work they have to do
Because after all, legal council is a right
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Stumpy 284
QuoteQuoteYOU want to define the social ethics of this country
Who the hell are you to do this?
Example number 2 of the mind set that is taking this country down the shitter
Everyone defines social ethics. That's how it works.
Funny how for 200 years there's always someone Chicken Little-ing about how the country's going down the shitter. And yet it's never gone down the shitter. There's a recognizable pattern in that.
Funny also how its generally those that are in the minority at the time (and yes, that works both ways)
Never try to eat more than you can lift
Andy9o8 2
QuoteI think that lawyers make too much money when compared to all the trouble they cause
Oh, it's no trouble at all - it's fun!
QuoteBecause after all, legal council is a right
Sometimes it's a wrong.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteI think that lawyers make too much money when compared to all the trouble they cause
Oh, it's no trouble at all - it's fun!QuoteBecause after all, legal council is a right
Sometimes it's a wrong.
Ya
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And somethimes they think they have to push answers cause they think (at least the liberal ones think) they have all the answers and no one should question them
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rehmwa 2
QuoteDoctors should be required to take a certain minimum quantity/percentage of Medicare/medicaid patients as a condition of maintaining their licenses to practice. They'll still be able to live quite comfortably.
perhaps they should also be "required" to wait on tables and, perhaps, pick your cotton
"required" takes out the whole 'voluntary' thing now doesn't it?
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Andy9o8 2
Quote"required" takes out the whole 'voluntary' thing now doesn't it?
Yeah.
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuote"required" takes out the whole 'voluntary' thing now doesn't it?
Yeah.
I think it's great to talk about how people "should" act. I want a society of nicer and more sharing people too.
IMHO, that's a cultural thing, not something that just new laws or the like will fix - or even affect in the right direction. I think the philosophy of forcing it on others so some can get the benefit has actually made it worse on both groups - significantly - resulting is a society much worse as a result, not better. YMMV
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
airdvr 210
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSocialised health care is awesome. Just saying.
*flees*
And if we had only 23 million people it could be awesome here, too.
We don't have 23 million. It wouldn't be awesome.
Yup. Sad to say that's the sticking point with quite a few things we do over here that I reckon would be awesome for you guys - the sheer difference in scale, coupled with differences in culture and political approach just mean it's never going to work the same.
I also read the wall of text (you may not have read that novel but you could sure write one!)
Looks spot on to me, from the outside looking in. Too big to fix?
You said earlier that you don't use the healthcare system. I'll suggest that you're probably not the best reference source.
I've been using it quite extensively for the last 2 months, and have been quite happy with it. You may take note that the two main scenarios I mentioned involved what would normally be considered moderately costly procedures - free of charge.
I'd say I'm a perfect reference - I pay into the system same as everyone else, but rarely draw from it. Do I bitch about my taxes being wasted? Fuck no, I'm glad I have a safety net when I need it.
Only someone with socialized medicine would think they are getting things 'free of charge'.
Please don't dent the planet.
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Andy9o8 2
Weak retort. He obviously meant "free of charge at point-of-service". He clearly, expressly acknowledged that he pays into the system with his taxes.
airdvr 210
Quote#1 Donald Trump
Let me get this straight . . .
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t! Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese , and financed by a country that’s broke!!!!!
‘What the hell could possibly go wrong?’
#2 Senior Wall Street Journal Economics Writer Stephen Moore during an interview with Fox and Friends….
“Again, whatever you want to call it Alisyn, fines, taxes, penalties, but three quarters of those costs will fall on the backs of families who make less than $120,00 a year, so it’s a big punch in the stomach to middle class families.”
#3 Dr. Elaina George of the Project 21 African-American Conservative Leadership Network
“Because of the mandate, Americans will be forced to pay for a system that will increase costs for patients, remove health care decisions from both the doctor and the patient and lead to rationing. It changes health care as we know it into a system based on one-size-fits-all, cost-controlled and conveyor belt socialized medicine”
#4 The incomparable Charlie Daniels
“The United States of America took a giant step toward a totalitarian socialist government when the Supreme Court voted to uphold Obamacare, allowing the individual mandate for the government to force American citizens to buy health insurance whether they want to or not.”
#5 Ron Paul
“This is patently obvious: the power to ‘regulate’ commerce cannot include the power to compel commerce! Those who claim otherwise simply ignore the plain meaning of the Constitution because they don’t want to limit federal power in any way. The commerce clause was intended simply to give Congress the power to regulate foreign trade, and also to prevent states from imposing tariffs on interstate goods. In Federalist Paper No. 22, Alexander Hamilton makes it clear the simple intent behind the clause was to prevent states from placing tolls or tariffs on goods as they passed through each state — a practice that had proven particularly destructive across the many principalities of the German empire.”
#6 U.S. Representative Todd Akin
“Today America is threatened with a stage three cancer of socialism, and Obamacare is exhibit 1. There are many of us here who have been fighting this for three years and we don’t really want the compassion of the IRS and the efficiency of the post office introduced in our healthcare and we are not going to rest until every single line of this bill is repealed.”
#7 The Health Ranger Mike Adams
“But even if Obama is replaced in the White House, the damage has already been done. With its decision, the U.S. Supreme Court has set a precedent of government control over private paychecks, and that precedent has fundamentally crushed economic freedom in America and opened the door to limitless taxes for everything imaginable. King George III couldn’t have done it better.”
#8 Documentary Filmmaker Michael Moore
“You better get on the train or watch your party implode – that’s my words of advice to the Republican Party”
#9 The communications director of the Tenth Amendment Center Mike Maharrey
“The states simply need to follow Thomas Jefferson’s prescription and nullify the entire act. They should just refuse to implement this monstrosity. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has already indicated he will refuse, and other states should follow his lead.”
#10 Becky Ayers
I’ve never bought medical insurance. The only time a policy has covered me was when it came incidental to a job. The Lord has blessed me with disgustingly good health; then, too, when I was 18, my mother died of a brain tumor that had escaped diagnosis for six years despite excruciating headaches and other symptoms a professor of nursing later described as “classic.” If I were bleeding and unconscious, I might wind up in the clutches of the medical establishment, but never of my own volition.
So I deeply and personally resent Roberts’s little parlor-trick of a word-game. Forcing me to buy medical insurance is unconstitutional if we call it a “fine” but perfectly OK if it’s a “tax.”
#11 Byron Maduska in the Leavenworth Times….
“A new survey of Doctors has been released. The results are bleak.
If Obamacare is fully implemented, 83 percent will consider leaving the practice of medicine. Sixty-one percent say it’s an affront to their ethics. Eighty-five percent say it destroys the doctor-patient relationship. Sixty-five percent say governmental involvement is the cause of the problems in medical care now. Seventy-two percent say the insurance mandate won’t result in improved access to medical care. Seventy-four percent say they’ll stop accepting Medicare patients, or leave Medicare altogether. Seventy percent say reducing governmental involvement would be the single best fix for healthcare in this country. The negatives of Obamacare went on and on in the results of the survey.”
#12 Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli
“This decision goes against the very principle that America has a federal government of limited powers; a principle that the Founding Fathers clearly wrote into the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. The Constitution was meant to restrict the power of government precisely for the purpose of protecting your liberty and mine from the overreaching hand of the federal government. This unprecedented decision says that Congress has the authority to force citizens to buy private goods or face fines – a power it has never had in American history, and a power King George III and Parliament didn’t have over us when we were mere subjects of Great Britain. Since the federal government itself could never articulate to the court a constitutional limit to this power, Congress has gained an unlimited power to force citizens to buy anything.”
Everyone laughed at these statements. Now we see they are't too far off.
Please don't dent the planet.
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OHCHUTE 0
I have 15 docs as friends. I go shooting with several of them at least once per week and and to hear them talk about medicine, the public needs to worry. Some are getting out before retirement! Many are not taking new medicare patients and in some cases telling patients they won't see them any more. We're going back to the days of mustard packs and salt water.
Medicine is heading towards corporate stock firm run organizations much like the medical equipment industry is now, the private doc out of biz.
Wall street wants all the docs to work for them. This is all about money and within 10 years or less. Wall Street will own all commerce.
Medicine is heading towards corporate stock firm run organizations much like the medical equipment industry is now, the private doc out of biz.
Wall street wants all the docs to work for them. This is all about money and within 10 years or less. Wall Street will own all commerce.
kallend 2,148
Instead of requiring it, how about forgiving some large % of med. school student loans to those who agree do it for, say 5 years/
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