The "Afordable" Health Care Act??

[wmw999 2,589]

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ACA is not the desired end result. What we have been doing is unsustainable, and it's better to change it to something unloved before it breaks us

suggests I think it's wonderful?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[airdvr 210]

You're working awful hard defending it. I figured you must think it's great.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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You're working awful hard defending it. I figured you must think it's great.

I assume it is a defense of the party line.

Consider the arguments of "belief" vs "stance".

Almost every liberal woman I know claims they would never, could never have an abortion, yet they whole-heartedly, (seemingly) blindly support that you should be able to have that procedure preformed. While at the same time, rallying against the death penalty . . .

So the hypocrisy in the defense of what doesn't affect them is rather telling.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

No, in this case I'm defending change for change's sake. We have an unsustainable system; kind of like a dam set into unstable ground. To carry this analogy further downstream, I'd rather that dam give way when there's some water, rather than when it's holding back an entire lake.

What we have isn't sustainable. The way we're going, it's not going to become sustainable. Better to "fix" it with something that we can attack and smother before it takes on too much life, but after we've committed to change in some way.

I still like TomAiello's plan better.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

They have now admitted to the lie

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/03/27/hhs-secretary-finally-admits-obamacare-is-raising-insurance-costs/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Don’t worry, folks, ObamaCare is blowing premiums through the roof, but there will be subsidies available for lower-income Americans! That means the rest of us will get screwed twice - once when we pay our higher insurance premiums, then again when we pay for all those lovely subsidies.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

So is it your contention that as long as insurance premiums stay low, health care costs are under control?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Don’t worry, folks, ObamaCare is blowing premiums through the roof, but there will be subsidies available for lower-income Americans! That means the rest of us will get screwed twice - once when we pay our higher insurance premiums, then again when we pay for all those lovely subsidies.

It won't end there.

The dam is about to burst, the flood will be the $$$$ coming out of our pockets.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

Yep, that's me -- die-hard liberal, always blindly just repeating the party line. It's how I roll.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Yep, that's me -- die-hard liberal, always blindly just repeating the party line. It's how I roll.

Wendy P.

I wasnt speaking of you specifically.

I do believe I qualified it as ALMOST every liberal woman I know.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

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So is it your contention that as long as insurance premiums stay low, health care costs are under control?

Wendy P.

No

what I am saying is the ACH was sold to us under the lie that HC costs would be kept lower

Many of us told those who were drowning under the cool aid that this was BS

Now it is the "I told you so" moment of all of this

But it is too late now

The HC system, while not perfect, was much better than what we are heading too

Which is government controlled HC with controlled being the key word

The HC pannels are being set up as I type

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So is it your contention that as long as insurance premiums stay low, health care costs are under control?

Wendy P.

No

what I am saying is the ACH was sold to us under the lie that HC costs would be kept lower

Many of us told those who were drowning under the cool aid that this was BS

Now it is the "I told you so" moment of all of this

But it is too late now

The HC system, while not perfect, was much better than what we are heading too

Which is government controlled HC with controlled being the key word

The HC pannels are being set up as I type

I believe that it was said that (paraphrase) "We need to pass it to see what is in it."

Yep senate needed to pass it to admit to the lies and deceit that propagated.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

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Don’t worry, folks, ObamaCare is blowing premiums through the roof, but there will be subsidies available for lower-income Americans! That means the rest of us will get screwed twice - once when we pay our higher insurance premiums, then again when we pay for all those lovely subsidies.

It won't end there.

The dam is about to burst, the flood will be the $$$$ coming out of our pockets.

Many of those costs to us are already spelled out

So, when it does not pay for what it is supposed to, adminstrators now have the power to just write new rules and regulations to get even more money

And at this point, there is not a damned thing we can do about it

Just like the 3.4% home sales tax that the ACH puts on more expensive houses

But that is ok

they got the money

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

Actually, since your comment was a direct reply to Airdivr's, directly addressing me, yeah, I figured it did apply to me.

And yes, I do support the right to choose abortion. I have my reasons, my history, and my family.

I'd also like birth control to be more readily discussed and utterly freely available. That would also cut down on unwanted pregnancies. "Just say no" is about as effective against teenaged sex as it is against drugs. Conceptually, sure. Then again, people go into debt, too, don't they.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Opie 0]

More people are covered by health insurance so insurance claims go up.

Shocking!

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Don’t worry, folks, ObamaCare is blowing premiums through the roof, but there will be subsidies available for lower-income Americans! That means the rest of us will get screwed twice - once when we pay our higher insurance premiums, then again when we pay for all those lovely subsidies.

It won't end there.

The dam is about to burst, the flood will be the $$$$ coming out of our pockets.

Many of those costs to us are already spelled out

So, when it does not pay for what it is supposed to, adminstrators now have the power to just write new rules and regulations to get even more money

And at this point, there is not a damned thing we can do about it

Just like the 3.4% home sales tax that the ACH puts on more expensive houses

But that is ok

they got the money

Name me a time when, after a new government program was implemented, that government was satisfied with the amount that it was able to swindle out of your wallet?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

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More people are covered by health insurance so insurance claims go up.

Shocking!

That is not what was supposed to happen

Get the freeloader paying and costs will go down

But we cant do that, making them pay something, anything, and their votes will go the other way

Shocking huh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Don’t worry, folks, ObamaCare is blowing premiums through the roof, but there will be subsidies available for lower-income Americans! That means the rest of us will get screwed twice - once when we pay our higher insurance premiums, then again when we pay for all those lovely subsidies.

It won't end there.

The dam is about to burst, the flood will be the $$$$ coming out of our pockets.

Many of those costs to us are already spelled out

So, when it does not pay for what it is supposed to, adminstrators now have the power to just write new rules and regulations to get even more money

And at this point, there is not a damned thing we can do about it

Just like the 3.4% home sales tax that the ACH puts on more expensive houses

But that is ok

they got the money

Name me a time when, after a new government program was implemented, that government was satisfied with the amount that it was able to swindle out of your wallet?

I cant

Can you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Actually, since your comment was a direct reply to Airdivr's, directly addressing me, yeah, I figured it did apply to me.

Yes - the defence of the party line. The example - well I absolutely see where you would think that was about you.

But you actually agreed with me in the next post down the line . . . Party line = Change . . . Your stance = Change for Changes sake.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

In the case of health care, as long as it's introducing a system, and not just another piece of patchwork, then yes, change for change's sake.

The current structure is unsustainable. Ask nearly any company what its fastest-rising cost is, and they'll say health insurance or health care.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

The worst thing about all this Wendy, it that it is working exactly as intended, other than the fact they left out a funding mechanism to force the states into the exchanges

Other than this (so far) there are no surprises to anyone who really paid attention

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airdvr 210]

Defending change for change's sake sounds a bit like blast handles and belly bands. It's kind of like the situation with legalizing pot. I didn't hear MADD complain that it was legalized. When I was younger I did more stupid shit while I was high than I ever did drunk. We called it a 'stoner move'. MADD will have a whole new class to demonize.

I see this as one more government policy that rewards the few at the cost of many. It's getting tiresome being the target of the change rather than the benificiary.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[wmw999 2,589]

No, but it does sound like some of the experimentation that went on with release systems in the 1970's, and with hand-deploy in general in from the late 70's until BOC was settled on as the usual standard.

BTW, blast handles came from the military, and are still used there on some rigs.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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No, but it does sound like some of the experimentation that went on with release systems in the 1970's, and with hand-deploy in general in from the late 70's until BOC was settled on as the usual standard.

BTW, blast handles came from the military, and are still used there on some rigs.

Wendy P.

AHC is destined to follow in the drag marks of Cash for Clunkers, and all those shovel ready jobs that were so amusing to Obama.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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No, in this case I'm defending change for change's sake.

I’ve never agreed with this. It’s like being married for 10 years and deciding to have sex with other people to see whether it makes the marriage better. It may for you, but what about the other person who should be considered? One thing I’ve come to accept the saying “Better is the enemy of good enough.”

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We have an unsustainable system; kind of like a dam set into unstable ground.

The system was sustainable until massive changes were put in. Think of medical care in the 1970s and 1980s. Look at it now. What changed to make it unsustainable? When did it become unsustainable? And what caused the lack of sustainability?

My wife is hotter than your wife.