ibx 2 #1 March 21, 2013 http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud So whats the difference between these guys and your local evangelical church, faith healers or catholics ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #2 March 21, 2013 Quotehttp://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud So whats the difference between these guys and your local evangelical church, faith healers or catholics ? Tax status. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #3 March 21, 2013 Let me see, I tell you stories and make up shit, and convince you to give me your money, and that is called fraud. I tell you stories and make up shit in the name of 'god' and convince you to give me your money, and that is called religion. Got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #4 March 21, 2013 I think the difference is that these people knew they were conning people where as religious people have good intentions/faith and think they're not conning anyone.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #5 March 21, 2013 Quote I think the difference is that these people knew they were conning people where as religious people have good intentions/faith and think they're not conning anyone. May I serve you a nice, cold glass of kool aid? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 70 #6 March 21, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3ImwAtheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #7 March 21, 2013 Quote I think the difference is that these people knew they were conning people where as religious people have good intentions/faith and think they're not conning anyone. sure, just like your (anyone's) favorite politicians......(I suspect the "good intentions" crowd is the minority for psychics, and the upper echelons of religion or politics or pet social causes. But, that's just an opinion) Fortunately, anyone that's not inclined to religious beliefs can substitute any number of social or political fanatical agendas to subscribe to to get that same buzz. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 March 21, 2013 Quote Fortunately, anyone that's not inclined to religious beliefs can substitute any number of social or political fanatical agendas to subscribe to to get that same buzz. Well, religion is the opiate of the people. And there's no buzz quite like a good opiate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #9 March 21, 2013 Quote Let me see, I tell you stories and make up shit, and convince you to give me your money, and that is called fraud. I tell you stories and make up shit in the name of 'god' and convince you to give me your money, and that is called religion. Got it. Yep, pretty much. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 March 21, 2013 Quotehttp://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud So whats the difference between these guys and your local evangelical church, faith healers or catholics ? Lumping in faith healers with evangelicals and Catholics kinda explains your thinking, doesn't it? Catholics and Christians, in general from what I've seen, attend for the message as much as anything. I don't see the Catholic Church making promises to heal the sick but rather to pray. They seem to be to be, in general, good and caring people who are trying to be better people and look to the church. The church passes around the colllection plate and people can pay for receiving the message or not. Compare this to any self-improvement specialist. How's a church different from Tony Robbins? Or diet books? Or anybody else who says "follow me. I'll show you the way." How about those people who go to Comic Con? How about Michael Moore? Or a major party platform (the Democrats solicit donations and said they'd make thing better for everybody, not just the rich. Why am I not better off?). These "psychics" committed fraud. No puffing. Straight up going to people and influencing them to part with their money. Promises for the future they knew damned well were impossible. Big difference, in my opinion. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 March 21, 2013 Quote Quote Fortunately, anyone that's not inclined to religious beliefs can substitute any number of social or political fanatical agendas to subscribe to to get that same buzz. Well, religion is the opiate of the people. And there's no buzz quite like a good opiate. sure, but there's a lot more 'religions' out there today than just religions. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #12 March 21, 2013 QuoteQuotehttp://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud So whats the difference between these guys and your local evangelical church, faith healers or catholics ? Lumping in faith healers with evangelicals and Catholics kinda explains your thinking, doesn't it? Catholics and Christians, in general from what I've seen, attend for the message as much as anything. I don't see the Catholic Church making promises to heal the sick but rather to pray. They seem to be to be, in general, good and caring people who are trying to be better people and look to the church. The church passes around the colllection plate and people can pay for receiving the message or not. Compare this to any self-improvement specialist. How's a church different from Tony Robbins? Or diet books? Or anybody else who says "follow me. I'll show you the way." How about those people who go to Comic Con? How about Michael Moore? Or a major party platform (the Democrats solicit donations and said they'd make thing better for everybody, not just the rich. Why am I not better off?). These "psychics" committed fraud. No puffing. Straight up going to people and influencing them to part with their money. Promises for the future they knew damned well were impossible. Big difference, in my opinion. So the puffing is the fine line? "Straight up going to people and influencing them to part with their money. Promises for the future they knew damned well were impossible." That fits with your "Major party" example. It fits pretty nicely IMO to the late night infomercial weight loss market (results NOT typical) as well. I'd say its all a fuckin scam...politicians, self help shit, churches, and psychics. Spend that cash on skydiving, or strippers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 March 21, 2013 Can you prove there's no God? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #14 March 21, 2013 QuoteI think the difference is that these people knew they were conning people where as religious people have good intentions/faith and think they're not conning anyone. Oh? Watch this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068924/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 March 21, 2013 Yep. Thing is, politicians don't give you a choice as to whether you can refuse to pay up... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #16 March 21, 2013 Quotehttp://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud So whats the difference between these guys and your local evangelical church, faith healers or catholics ? --------------------------------------------------- This reminds me of miss cleo! CALL ME NOW!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWyHiV3l3MA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #17 March 21, 2013 QuoteCan you prove there's no God? Sure. I looked in my corn flakes, and didn't see him. And we're told he's everywhere. So there, proven. Now, Can you prove there is no FSM?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #18 March 21, 2013 QuoteCan you prove there's no God? There's MILLIONS of them. There are easily ten times as many gods as there are leprechauns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #19 March 21, 2013 Quote http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud Dr. Frasier Crane: Carla, this psychic business is just a crutch to avoid reality. I mean, it's very easy for people to get hooked on this hocus pocus, and well, before you know it, this woman is going to be holding your hand once a week, charging you $100 a hour and filling your mind with all sorts of confusing jargon. Carla LeBec: And how is that different from you? [embarrassed pause] Dr. Frasier Crane: Well, ah... I can prescribe drugs. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #20 March 21, 2013 Quote http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-18/news/fl-psychics-plead-guilty-20130318_1_rose-marks-victoria-eli-million-fraud Seems like they should have seen this coming."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #21 March 21, 2013 QuoteCatholics and Christians, in general from what I've seen, attend for the message as much as anything. I don't see the Catholic Church making promises to heal the sick but rather to pray. They seem to be to be, in general, good and caring people who are trying to be better people and look to the church. Just what the world needs... Catholics. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 March 21, 2013 QuoteQuoteCan you prove there's no God? Sure. I looked in my corn flakes, and didn't see him. And we're told he's everywhere. So there, proven. Now, Can you prove there is no FSM? Nope, but then again, I never claimed there was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 March 21, 2013 Abstainance is 100% effective at controlling Aids. I am reminded of the bigots my Grandfather faced when he first came to the US from Ireland. The same bigots who, up until Kennedy, never thought a Catholic should be President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #24 March 21, 2013 QuoteAbstainance is 100% effective at controlling Aids Didn't work for him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White I had a friend who died of AIDS from IV drug use."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #25 March 21, 2013 QuoteI don't see the Catholic Church making promises to heal the sick but rather to pray. In order to be lifted to 'sainthood' as they do in the Catholic Church every so often, one must have performed a confirmed 'miracle. Usually something to do with healing.... While there are plenty of great Catholics out there, the ongoings of corruption and pedophilia pretty much undo any and all respect I might have ever had for an organization like that. The Catholic church is a disease that needs a cure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
