So what about the kids? This thread is about Gay Parents

[mr2mk1g 10]

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Do you really want him to answer or are you just boasting?

No one likes a bragger.

Interesting though isn't it. Couple of guys like to suck dick and it's "won't somebody think of the children". Next up, a girl enjoys threesomes and suddenly it's bragging.

How gay is too gay? Seriously.

[NWFlyer 2]

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How gay is too gay? Seriously.

So far I think we have the following:

Probably too gay:
1) Women who have short hair.
2) Transgender people.
3) Any gays who wish to become parents via IVF.
4) Elton John
5) Bisexual men who get married to each other.
6) Heterosexuals who have extramarital affairs
7) People who tell OHCHUTE what kind of sporting equipment he can own
8) Ellen
9) Anyone who visited a San Francisco bathhouse in the 70s

Possibly not too gay:
1) Gays who wish to adopt who don't fit into one of the categories above.
2) Gays who become parents by being closeted in straight marriages.
3) Bisexual chicks who are with a dude (so long as the chick does not have short hair in which case, see #1 above).


Did I miss anything?

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[Remster 30]

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Next up, a girl enjoys threesomes and suddenly it's bragging.

You initially just said she was bi. Now, it's 3some time. It's officially bragging now.

Remster

[rehmwa 2]

One thought.

If a demographic can't 'accidentally' get pregnant, it's more likely that kids brought into those homes are definitely wanted from the start. (there's certainly no real profit to be had)

I don't want to oversell it, but it's a pretty clear scenario that's avoided. Call it another form of effective birth control.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[NWFlyer 2]

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One thought.

If a demographic can't 'accidentally' get pregnant, it's more likely that kids brought into those homes are definitely wanted from the start. (there's certainly no real profit to be had)

I don't want to oversell it, but it's a pretty clear scenario that's avoided. Call it another form of effective birth control.

Several years ago I read Dan Savage's book "The Kid," the story of how he and his partner adopted their son. He makes pretty much the same point, with a lot of detail added about the level of scrutiny (by adoption agencies and/or the birth parent) that adoptive parents (regardless of their sexual orientation) must go through to adopt. Does it mean that it's perfect and there won't be any bad adoptive parents? Of course, not, but it does mean that adoptive parents have to work pretty hard to become parents and be ready (and demonstrate that readiness to an outside party in most cases).

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[Andy9o8 2]

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One thought.

If a demographic can't 'accidentally' get pregnant, it's more likely that kids brought into those homes are definitely wanted from the start. (there's certainly no real profit to be had)

I don't want to oversell it, but it's a pretty clear scenario that's avoided. Call it another form of effective birth control.

Thus far, gay men can't biologically procreate children with each other, but you have to admire their due diligence. Just putting that out there.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Next up, a girl enjoys threesomes and suddenly it's bragging.

You initially just said she was bi. Now, it's 3some time. It's officially bragging now.

I'm OK with his bragging, as long as he doesn't also tell us she's a redhead.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Remster 30]

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Next up, a girl enjoys threesomes and suddenly it's bragging.

You initially just said she was bi. Now, it's 3some time. It's officially bragging now.

I'm OK with his bragging, as long as he doesn't also tell us she's a redhead.

Which one?

Remster

[ryoder 1,590]

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Next up, a girl enjoys threesomes and suddenly it's bragging.

You initially just said she was bi. Now, it's 3some time. It's officially bragging now.

I'm OK with his bragging, as long as he doesn't also tell us she's a redhead.

Which one?

Well, I was referring to the GF, but if the 3rd party was a redhead, then yes, I'd still be envious.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[mr2mk1g 10]

hahahahha

Ok, so "the redhead" is a longstanding joke in our relationship. No, she's blonde, sadly.... (sshhh).

In the first weeks of our relationship, I had a date planned with a redhead which I wondered whether I should go on as we were starting to get serious. I actually posted on here as to whether I should even go on the redhead date at all. [wow - interesting what the search feature throws up: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3308921#3308921]

I ended up going on the date (which was crap) then afterwards meeting up with the current girlfriend anyway for a rather more amusing evening.

Years later I confessed to the current girlfriend about the earlier date. Coupled with my admitted proclivity for redheads it's turned into a long-standing joke that if I'm not with her it's because I'm off with the redhead.

[OHCHUTE 0]

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>How are we suppose to learn about the gay community if no answers are provided.

Ask them. There are several right here on this thread.

>You will admit the gay community in the 70's and 80's had quite a steamy
>reputation with all the Baths in San Fran, sex in public places etc.

That's as accurate as thinking that Christians have quite a reputation with all the "god loves dead fags" protests they do at soldier's funerals, and all the children they molest. That doesn't represent most of Christianity; it's just very newsworthy so you notice it more.

You may not have seen the less-colorful stuff that was going on in the 1970's timeframe, but there were events that were actually a lot more important.

The Stonewall riots. Cops would regularly go into NY bars and arrest people just because they were gay. Finally, one day in 1969, the patrons of a bar called the Stonewall Inn resisted arrest. Others joined them and there were several days of riots. After a few weeks several gay organizations formed to broker a truce between the police and the gays of NYC. These were some of the first gay rights groups in NY. A year later they held the first "gay pride" parade to try to overcome the oppression these groups lived under.

The first gay pride parades also happened in 1970 in Chicago and Los Angeles.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed "homosexuality" as a mental disorder from their list of diagnoses.

In 1977 Harvey Milk was elected as the first openly gay county supervisor in San Francisco.

The most important part of this is that throughout 1970 states began to repeal laws that criminalized homosexuality. The reason you didn't see much homosexuality before this is that is was illegal - so the only people you saw as openly gay were effectively criminals.

>now all of a sudden, the community wants to look responsible, enough so to raise kids.

The "community" wants the same rights everyone else has.

>It would seem that if gays want to get married they might act in a manner that
>might get people on their side. And that is not what is being done here.

That, to me, sounds like "if blacks want the right to vote they should know their place and not be uppity." (Most people ARE on the side of gay rights BTW.)

>And if it's OK that gays get married, what's the hold up in adopting kids

Like you just said, it's illegal in some places.

>In the instance of two male homosexual married men who want to adopt a child,
>what right does the child have to be raised by a female?

?? None. What right does a child, whose father has custody of him after a bitter divorce, have to be raised by his mother? Legally, none.

>What is societies responsiblity in this instance to allow the child to be raised by
>a female instead of a surogate female, a homosexual male.

Again, none. Surely you are not arguing that men cannot raise children? If so, you have an awful lot of divorce law to try to rewrite.

There may be no responsibilty but don't you think the child is deserving of having a mom, or is the culture so narcissictic the interest of the child comes secondary to the mere fact that Frank and Tom want to raise a kid.

I wonder why Islam is the fastest growing religion when they have the most strick laws regarding homosexuality. World wide I think you might be wrong in saying most agree that it's OK that homosexuals adopt kids. In fact, since gay marriage is so knew I suspect most American's haven't even thought about gays raising kids to form any opinion.

[Bignugget 0]

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hahahahha

Ok, so "the redhead" is a longstanding joke in our relationship. No, she's blonde, sadly.... (sshhh).

In the first weeks of our relationship, I had a date planned with a redhead which I wondered whether I should go on as we were starting to get serious. I actually posted on here as to whether I should even go on the redhead date at all. [wow - interesting what the search feature throws up: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3308921#3308921]

I ended up going on the date (which was crap) then afterwards meeting up with the current girlfriend anyway for a rather more amusing evening.

Years later I confessed to the current girlfriend about the earlier date. Coupled with my admitted proclivity for redheads it's turned into a long-standing joke that if I'm not with her it's because I'm off with the redhead.

'It gets complicated however... Blonde chick moves away from the city in one month's time so there's no real expectation on either our part's that this is going to be a long term thing. Therefore, I really don't want to burn any bridges with redhead as I'd rather like to see more of her once blondie's left the city. "

WTF went wrong!

You were supposed to screw the hot blonde for a month and then go to the hot redhead.

That was in 2008!!!

[mistercwood 287]

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There may be no responsibilty but don't you think the child is deserving of having a mom, or is the culture so narcissictic the interest of the child comes secondary to the mere fact that Frank and Tom want to raise a kid.

I wonder why Islam is the fastest growing religion when they have the most strick laws regarding homosexuality. World wide I think you might be wrong in saying most agree that it's OK that homosexuals adopt kids. In fact, since gay marriage is so knew I suspect most American's haven't even thought about gays raising kids to form any opinion.

My parents divorced when I was 1. Was my mother narcissistic for having the audacity to raise me on her own? It's not like there weren't any positive male role models in my life, they just didn't happen to be my "dad"... (caveat, I still saw my dad a couple times a year at least and we get on fine).

The nuclear family as the norm is dead and gone. It's still a common model, but there's a whole lot of other family models out there now alongside it. Which is just peachy.

ETA: Most American's haven't thought about gay marriage and adoption because it's "new"??? I'm on the other side of the fucking WORLD and I've lost count of the number of articles/editorials/etc I've read/watched from the US media....

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

[mr2mk1g 10]

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WTF went wrong!

I ask myself that regularly.

She moved back again.

Then again, I found out she was bi...

[Bignugget 0]

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WTF went wrong!

Then again, I found out she was bi...

hahahaha

yea, that would do it.

[ruleofpull 0]

Considering that you haven't digressed back to your original line of questioning too much, but have merely tried to use logical fallacies to express you point of view, I'm going to actually try to answer your original questions.
a. Have the democrats thought about that?
Although I do follow some American politics, I'm not American. You might discount my opinion, and my beliefs in humanitarianism that I've expressed. But again, I'm not American. People can see from what you've posted thus far, that you are firmly entrenched in your homophobic line of reasoning. Do I disagree with your reasoning? Yup. Can we agree to disagree? I would think so. But me, and a whole lot of other people I know, think you're just homophobic. (i.e. wrong, but still unfortunately, entitled to that opinion).
b. What about the boy? To which boy/male are you referring? You've mentioned a few... so I'm not clear. If you are referring to the child, than what of him? You're obviously concerned that he will be unable to normalize in Western society. IMO-Western society would not be what it is today both with and without normalization today. (And I will again ask the question that you have avoided... What about the boy? What's your answer? Why do you care? Do you have to explain it? IMO-whomever explains will hopefully do it in the most loving way possible so that the child is accepting and loving in the most inconceivable ways that only a child can express).
c. Should same sex couples be allowed to raise children? Yes. (Caveat: Should same sex couples be allowed to marry? My answer: Yes).
Because you're looking for answers, and someone to impose their beliefs on you, and tell you what to do, than: consider me "God." Get over it. Accept it. It's normal. Get over yourself.
*Edited for spelling/clarification.

[D22369 0]

I only know one gay couple *men

thier boy is 13 and is very interested in females and seems to be quite normal and happy, he is doing great in school, sports, he is polite and articulate - far beyond most his age, and I see no reason for anyone to question thier parenting on the basis of thier both having the same gender

they are doing a great job raising him - far better than most "normal" couples these days

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[jakee 1,595]

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There may be no responsibilty but don't you think the child is deserving of having a mom, or is the culture so narcissictic the interest of the child comes secondary to the mere fact that Frank and Tom want to raise a kid.

These 'concerns' have been answered already. Over and over again. All you're doing now is going around in circles - you evidently have absolutely no interest in what anyone else has to say, so why did you bother starting the thread in the first place?

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I wonder why Islam is the fastest growing religion when they have the most strick laws regarding homosexuality.

Christians will kill you for being gay. Does it get much more strict than that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,116]

On this new scale of "too gay" to "awesomely totally non gay" it sounds like we have:

-Two married gay guys
-Any standard gay stereotypes
-A couple with one transgendered person, details don't matter
-A couple with one short haired woman, details don't matter
-Any somewhat flamboyant Hollywood type
-A straight woman and a bisexual man
-Two average looking lesbian women in a relationship
-A straight man and a bisexual woman
-A cheating lying heterosexual couple
-A faithful heterosexual couple
-Two hot lesbian chicks

[ryoder 1,590]

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On this new scale of "too gay" to "awesomely totally non gay" it sounds like we have:

-Two married gay guys
-Any standard gay stereotypes
-A couple with one transgendered person, details don't matter
-A couple with one short haired woman, details don't matter
-Any somewhat flamboyant Hollywood type
-A straight woman and a bisexual man
-Two average looking lesbian women in a relationship
-A straight man and a bisexual woman
-A cheating lying heterosexual couple
-A faithful heterosexual couple
-Two hot lesbian chicks

...and a partridge in a pear tree.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,116]

>There may be no responsibilty but don't you think the child is deserving of having a
>mom . . . .

If that's true, aren't they even more deserving of having two?

But in any case, children are deserving of having _parents._ And a committed couple of any orientation is generally better than two accidental and resentful parents, and are much better than having no parents at all.

>or is the culture so narcissictic the interest of the child comes secondary to the
>mere fact that Frank and Tom want to raise a kid.

Are right wingers so cruel that they would prefer a child stay in an orphanage instead of having parents?

>I wonder why Islam is the fastest growing religion when they have the most strick laws
>regarding homosexuality.

I don't know. Maybe the whole child molestation thing is discouraging potential new converts?

>World wide I think you might be wrong in saying most agree that it's OK that
>homosexuals adopt kids.

I was speaking specifically to the US.

"That feeling is ratified in a nationwide USA TODAY poll of all Americans that finds broad acceptance of economic rights for same-sex couples and majority support for gay marriage and adoption."

[jakee 1,595]

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On this new scale of "too gay" to "awesomely totally non gay" it sounds like we have:

-Two married gay guys
-Any standard gay stereotypes
-A couple with one transgendered person, details don't matter
-A couple with one short haired woman, details don't matter
-Any somewhat flamboyant Hollywood type
-A straight woman and a bisexual man
-Two average looking lesbian women in a relationship
-A straight man and a bisexual woman
-A cheating lying heterosexual couple
-A faithful heterosexual couple
-Two hot lesbian chicks

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Three hot lesbian chicks.




(Too greedy?)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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>There may be no responsibilty but don't you think the child is deserving of having a
>mom . . . .

If that's true, aren't they even more deserving of having two?

But in any case, children are deserving of having _parents._ And a committed couple of any orientation is generally better than two accidental and resentful parents, and are much better than having no parents at all.

>or is the culture so narcissictic the interest of the child comes secondary to the
>mere fact that Frank and Tom want to raise a kid.

Are right wingers so cruel that they would prefer a child stay in an orphanage instead of having parents?

>I wonder why Islam is the fastest growing religion when they have the most strick laws
>regarding homosexuality.

I don't know. Maybe the whole child molestation thing is discouraging potential new converts?

>World wide I think you might be wrong in saying most agree that it's OK that
>homosexuals adopt kids.

I was speaking specifically to the US.

"That feeling is ratified in a nationwide USA TODAY poll of all Americans that finds broad acceptance of economic rights for same-sex couples and majority support for gay marriage and adoption."

Maybe by poll but not by law. And world wide, jury is definitely out regarding adoption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

The right to Petitioning is different than having adoption rights. Petitioning might not produce an adoption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption_in_the_United_States#Recognition_of_adoption_by_other_states


Yes it is true many more people support gay marriage but discussion about adoption is absent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/03/18/gay-marriage-support-hits-new-high-in-post-abc-poll/

[OHCHUTE 0]

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On this new scale of "too gay" to "awesomely totally non gay" it sounds like we have:

-Two married gay guys
-Any standard gay stereotypes
-A couple with one transgendered person, details don't matter
-A couple with one short haired woman, details don't matter
-Any somewhat flamboyant Hollywood type
-A straight woman and a bisexual man
-Two average looking lesbian women in a relationship
-A straight man and a bisexual woman
-A cheating lying heterosexual couple
-A faithful heterosexual couple
-Two hot lesbian chicks

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Three hot lesbian chicks.




(Too greedy?)

Funny how much you don't know. Better it be bisexual ladies, otherwise you'll be watching TV while the fun is over there...

[billvon 3,116]

>Maybe by poll but not by law.

Correct. And as mentioned before, that is changing quite rapidly. Currently it is only completely illegal in 10 states. Three more allow one of the two parents to adopt even when they are in a committed same-sex relationship, but do not allow both to adopt. The rest either explicitly allow it or do not prohibit it, leaving it up to adoption agencies.

>Yes it is true many more people support gay marriage but discussion about adoption is absent.

Google search "gay couple adoption" results:

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