So what about the kids? This thread is about Gay Parents

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Jury is still out.

Kids Raised by Gays Fair Worse

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research

And the opposing view:

http://www.apa.org/about/policy/parenting.aspx

Tell me Elton Johns kid won't be anxious to meet his natural mother. And tell me the child may not be affected by the fact that his mother was "used" solely for the benefit of the gay couple to have a child to raise even not knowing Elton or his male partner had a sperm involved.

The jury is out in my opinion.

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>Kids Raised by Gays Fair Worse

The author of that study recently said that he didn't accurately identify which parents were gay and which were straight. In his words:

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"I got taken to task for leaning on young adults’ assessments of their parents’ relationships. I didn’t ask them whether they thought their mom was a lesbian or if their dad was gay. Because, in part, self-identity is a different kind of thing than behavior, and lot of people weren’t “out” in that era. I think we can all think of moms and dads when we were growing up that we either knew or suspected were gay or lesbian, but never “came out of the closet,” so to speak. . . .

There were two cases where they said the mom and her partner lived together for 18 years. There was another several who lived together for 15 or 13 years. So, stability in the sense of long-term was not common. And frankly, it’s not all that common among heterosexual population. I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad . . .

I’ll be more careful about the language I use to describe people whose parents had same-sex relationships. I said “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers,” when in fact, I don’t know about their sexual orientation.
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It would be interesting to redo the study with more accurate identification of who is gay and who is straight.

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The "Family Research Council" might as well be an official publication of the Taliban.
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Should same sex couples be allowed to raise children?

Years ago I dated a girl who had "two moms." She was straight and unaffected by it. She said the only problem was a little harassment from narrow minded people.

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Kids Raised by Gays Fair Worse

http://www.frc.org/...

Family Research Council? At least try to be serious.

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Tell me Elton Johns kid won't be anxious to meet his natural mother. And tell me the child may not be affected by the fact that his mother was "used" solely for the benefit of the gay couple to have a child to raise even not knowing Elton or his male partner had a sperm involved.

So you want to ban surrogate parenting and sperm and egg donation for IVF for both straight and gay couples?



And who else shouldn't be allowed to raise kids? People from the projects? People on welfare? Muslims?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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. What will he become being in the presence of a male gay and transgender.

He will become a kid with a place to call home.

I know. Horrible.

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. What will he become being in the presence of a male gay and transgender.

He will become a kid with a place to call home.

I know. Horrible.

And that place called home will have 2 parents, which, as opposed to single parent households, has been shown to have more of a positive effect than the orientation, or previous plumbing, of the parents.

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Kids Raised by Gays Fair Worse

http://www.frc.org/...

Family Research Council? At least try to be serious.

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Tell me Elton Johns kid won't be anxious to meet his natural mother. And tell me the child may not be affected by the fact that his mother was "used" solely for the benefit of the gay couple to have a child to raise even not knowing Elton or his male partner had a sperm involved.

So you want to ban surrogate parenting and sperm and egg donation for IVF for both straight and gay couples?



And who else shouldn't be allowed to raise kids? People from the projects? People on welfare? Muslims?

I was the first to market IVF for a doc so I know the subject matter. I'm not totally keen on leaving one parent's dna out of creating life just to h have kids when there are so many kids that need adopted.

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Kids Raised by Gays Fair Worse

http://www.frc.org/...

Family Research Council? At least try to be serious.

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Tell me Elton Johns kid won't be anxious to meet his natural mother. And tell me the child may not be affected by the fact that his mother was "used" solely for the benefit of the gay couple to have a child to raise even not knowing Elton or his male partner had a sperm involved.

So you want to ban surrogate parenting and sperm and egg donation for IVF for both straight and gay couples?



And who else shouldn't be allowed to raise kids? People from the projects? People on welfare? Muslims?

I was the first to market IVF for a doc so I know the subject matter. I'm not totally keen on leaving one parent's dna out of creating life just to h have kids when there are so many kids that need adopted.

When there are so many kids needing to be adopted why do you want to exclude a whole set of willing and capable couples?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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When there are so many kids needing to be adopted why do you want to exclude a whole set of willing and capable couples?

Because then their entire childhood will be devoted to the Radical Gay Agenda (TM).

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Kids Raised by Gays Fair Worse

http://www.frc.org/...

Family Research Council? At least try to be serious.

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Tell me Elton Johns kid won't be anxious to meet his natural mother. And tell me the child may not be affected by the fact that his mother was "used" solely for the benefit of the gay couple to have a child to raise even not knowing Elton or his male partner had a sperm involved.

So you want to ban surrogate parenting and sperm and egg donation for IVF for both straight and gay couples?



And who else shouldn't be allowed to raise kids? People from the projects? People on welfare? Muslims?

I was the first to market IVF for a doc so I know the subject matter. I'm not totally keen on leaving one parent's dna out of creating life just to h have kids when there are so many kids that need adopted.

When there are so many kids needing to be adopted why do you want to exclude a whole set of willing and capable couples?

There a difference to creating a child to care for and adopting an existing child. I'm speaking of the former. That, that is not a good idea. IMHO.

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There a difference to creating a child to care for and adopting an existing child. I'm speaking of the former. That, that is not a good idea. IMHO.

So this thread is really about population control? Took you long enough to get to the point.

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There a difference to creating a child to care for and adopting an existing child. I'm speaking of the former. That, that is not a good idea. IMHO.

Then what's the relevance of the parents sexuality in this argument? Shouldn't we all stop making babies then until all the existing kids are adopted?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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There a difference to creating a child to care for and adopting an existing child. I'm speaking of the former. That, that is not a good idea. IMHO.

Then what's the relevance of the parents sexuality in this argument? Shouldn't we all stop making babies then until all the existing kids are adopted?

Very good point. Lets take care of what is here now. You first. He's wearing a helmet and drools.

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Very good point. Lets take care of what is here now. You first. He's wearing a helmet and drools.

So...you need parents?

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How is the sexuality of a child's parents any of your business? Does it affect you in any way, other than from the sounds of it, it makes you uncomfortable? Why are you so concerned with what happens in other people's bedrooms and homes? Some kids end up messed up or completely awesome regardless of the type of household they're raised in.

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How is the sexuality of a child's parents any of your business? Does it affect you in any way, other than from the sounds of it, it makes you uncomfortable? Why are you so concerned with what happens in other people's bedrooms and homes? Some kids end up messed up or completely awesome regardless of the type of household they're raised in.

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Well so many of you care what women want to do with their bodies as far as having kids or not, why not care about people raising kids? Like I said: right now it's all about gays getting married, but what are the consequences regarding kids. The advancement of medical science has put us in the conversation. One I didn't start.

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How is the sexuality of a child's parents any of your business? Does it affect you in any way, other than from the sounds of it, it makes you uncomfortable? Why are you so concerned with what happens in other people's bedrooms and homes? Some kids end up messed up or completely awesome regardless of the type of household they're raised in.

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Well so many of you care what women want to do with their bodies as far as having kids or not, why not care about people raising kids? Like I said: right now it's all about gays getting married, but what are the consequences regarding kids. The advancement of medical science has put us in the conversation. One I didn't start.

I care very much how people raise their kids (though at the end of the day, it's their kid, not mine). I'm still yet to see what exactly the parents sexuality has to do with the situation?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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How is the sexuality of a child's parents any of your business? Does it affect you in any way, other than from the sounds of it, it makes you uncomfortable? Why are you so concerned with what happens in other people's bedrooms and homes? Some kids end up messed up or completely awesome regardless of the type of household they're raised in.

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Well so many of you care what women want to do with their bodies as far as having kids or not, why not care about people raising kids? Like I said: right now it's all about gays getting married, but what are the consequences regarding kids. The advancement of medical science has put us in the conversation. One I didn't start.

I care very much how people raise their kids (though at the end of the day, it's their kid, not mine). I'm still yet to see what exactly the parents sexuality has to do with the situation?

Two bisexual married men who both have have multiple sex partners yet want to raise kids, has little consequences on child bearing? So basically you are saying an amoral society is OK. That is of course if you think is OK for the guy's to have sex outside of marriage? I'm including B's as in LGBT getting married as I suspect the B's and T's shouldn't be left out of the discussion.

Then there are morals.

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Then there are morals.

There is no morality in bigotry or ignorance.

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Two bisexual married men who both have have multiple sex partners yet want to raise kids, has little consequences on child bearing? So basically you are saying an amoral society is OK. That is of course if you think is OK for the guy's to have sex outside of marriage? I'm including B's as in LGBT getting married as I suspect the B's and T's shouldn't be left out of the discussion.

Then there are morals.

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How is the sexuality of a child's parents any of your business? Does it affect you in any way, other than from the sounds of it, it makes you uncomfortable? Why are you so concerned with what happens in other people's bedrooms and homes? Some kids end up messed up or completely awesome regardless of the type of household they're raised in.

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Well so many of you care what women want to do with their bodies as far as having kids or not, why not care about people raising kids? Like I said: right now it's all about gays getting married, but what are the consequences regarding kids. The advancement of medical science has put us in the conversation. One I didn't start.

I care very much how people raise their kids (though at the end of the day, it's their kid, not mine). I'm still yet to see what exactly the parents sexuality has to do with the situation?

Two bisexual married men who both have have multiple sex partners yet want to raise kids, has little consequences on child bearing? So basically you are saying an amoral society is OK. That is of course if you think is OK for the guy's to have sex outside of marriage? I'm including B's as in LGBT getting married as I suspect the B's and T's shouldn't be left out of the discussion.

Then there are morals.

Gay people raising kids doesn't scare me.

You raising them scares the hell out of me.

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>The advancement of medical science has put us in the conversation. One I didn't start.

You quite literally did!

>Two bisexual married men who both have have multiple sex partners yet want to raise
>kids, has little consequences on child bearing?

It's no different than two married heterosexuals who have multiple sex partners.

>So basically you are saying an amoral society is OK.

Nope.

>That is of course if you think is OK for the guy's to have sex outside of marriage?

As long as both people are OK with it - yes, it's OK. No matter what their sexual orientation. The problem isn't sex outside marriage, it's the lying, deception and eventual divorce that's the problem for kids.

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Gay people raising kids doesn't scare me.

You raising them scares the hell out of me.

QFT!!

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Two bisexual married men who both have have multiple sex partners yet want to raise kids, has little consequences on child bearing? So basically you are saying an amoral society is OK. That is of course if you think is OK for the guy's to have sex outside of marriage? I'm including B's as in LGBT getting married as I suspect the B's and T's shouldn't be left out of the discussion.

Then there are morals.

Two awesome wholesome gay men who are committed to each other and have been for some time (10 years enough for you?) want to adopt a child. Financially they are able, and can provide a great and loving home, and the child will have positive female role models in their life. And you don't think that's okay? Why? I think that's amoral. Say, after 30 years of being together, one cheats on the other, and they separate. Oh... wait that happens in heterosexual relationships too.
Okay... your new proposition: two bisexual men who have multiple sex partners... what about a heterosexual couple who have an open relationship? What's the difference?
Again, what's it to you? Do you have to explain to the child the nature of relationship of the parents?