Dumb butt Social Liberals

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their own life and those of others ,their own upbringing , education, faith, religion, and life experiences.

Of course everyone is the product of all of these things you mention. But you can have all these things and still be profoundly and utterly wrong. And you are.

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Of course they would be bias, where as none of your sources would be.

So an organisation whose statement of belief says that the bible is true in every aspect and no other information can contradict that view is going to be of only average bias, and the information they present will be as reliable as anyone else's? Of course.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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If I made the statement that everyone is born hetero and then sometime after that the choice is made.

Not sure about what his response would be, but mine would be something on the order of why would you hang around people who not only choose something you find to be unnatural, but they must be stupid too.

It's way harder to be gay (or transgender) than it is to be straight. Especially if you're a guy, you have to wonder if each guy you come on to is going to kick the shit out of you because he's not gay after all. It's completely acceptable to share about your heterosexual relationship anywhere; show pictures, wear a ring, whatever. It's perfectly acceptable to flirt mildly with someone of the opposite gender -- if you're rebuffed, it's OK as long as it was mild.

Now try that same mild flirting with someone of the same gender.

I'm not gay, never have been. But I have a relative who's transgender, and no one decides all of a sudden, in high school no less. to go from being a successful boy to being a marginalized girl, because it's cool.

Wendy P.

You do have to appreciate the gay bars. They have the best music and best club environment than any other bar on the face of the planet. They are especially festive on haloween and makes for a lively entertainment experience. I suppose some get a kick out watching the straights in awe as well.
Plus, without gays, many local communities economies would suffer. They're great business people and have a knack for sprucing up the streets with neat shops containing cool stuff to buy.

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All the gay folks I've known are also for some reason exceptional at interior decorating.

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I'm sorry, I didn't come in here to change anyone's mind or view point. i don't think this is the proper forum where people are actually open to that idea. I'm sorry if I'm out of my league as you say and my posting are so simple. Forgive me. Thought it was open to anyone, but of course I can see its not. i'll take my poor simple little brain and excuse my self from the thread, and let the "big boys" play. After all no one gets any of their own views from; their own life and those of others ,their own upbringing , education, faith, religion, and life experiences. Much much to simple.

Dont leave
You are driving them crazy
They cant intimidate you or change your mind
Drives them insane

Which is a short trip for many of them by the way

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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their own life and those of others ,their own upbringing , education, faith, religion, and life experiences.

Of course everyone is the product of all of these things you mention. But you can have all these things and still be profoundly and utterly wrong. And you are.

No

You are the one that is wrong

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Fun with generalizations (and run-on sentences)...

Social conservatives expend a great deal of effort stating publicly that they are okay with all walks of life and that they embrace "to each their own," only to go vote for that which they'd rather not defend and that which, when analyzed further, is found to do little but remove rights from others that they previously stated they had respect for and no problems with. If their voting record is revealed or their stance is exposed, it leads to mumbling in an attempt to portray themselves as more centrist than they are.

Social liberals expend a great deal of effort stating publicly which sufficiently vague as to be easily defensible social movements and positions they support, and vote proudly for the "Anti-Mean People and Koala Orphanage Preservation Act," even though, when analyzed further, it attempts to marginalize mean people and preserve Koala Orphanages in a horribly ineffective and costly way, and with many unintended consequences. When presented with the problems in the AMPKOP Act, it leads to shouting in an attempt to portray their opponents as less centrist than they are.

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their own life and those of others ,their own upbringing , education, faith, religion, and life experiences.

Of course everyone is the product of all of these things you mention. But you can have all these things and still be profoundly and utterly wrong. And you are.

No

You are the one that is wrong

That hetro people choose to be gay? Whatever dude.

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That is the most assinine statement I have ever heard. I was sexually abused as a kid. I choose to NOT abuse young children as I have been. Also I choose to NOT like men because men were the ones that abused me. To say that people that are gay DONT have a choice is completely absurd. ITS A PERSONAL CHOICE.

LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CHOICES.

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They don't choose their feelings. They choose their actions, just as heterosexual people can choose to be celibate.

And there is no justification whatsoever for being sexually abused, whether as an adult or as a child.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I'm new to dz.com. I've joined to talkand learn about a great way to get a way from the politics and bs on land. And here I see politics and bs? C'mon!

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I'm new to dz.com.

Of course you are.

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Im beleive that soceity has a much greater impact on youth once they reach a certain age...however before that their parents bear the greatest burden of getting their children to represent their parents in similar fashion. A vast majority of gay men have a defective male role model in their lives when they were young....from either being too hard (dad yelling at kid at little league game berating him) or the opposite spectrum...not being there at all. Its my opinion that the parents are the ones that mold children into what they are. For example...if you take your kid with you to run drug deals..then its a good chance that kid is going to grow up a thug. Its also telling that there are some parents who do the best they can in the time they have but the impact of soceity on that child was too much and the child chose a different path than what the parents had. To sum up, I think the children are shaped by their immediate surroundings to become what they are rather than just having 'feelings they cant control'...which probably has its place too, but not a prevalent as what I described.

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That is the most assinine statement I have ever heard. I was sexually abused as a kid. I choose to NOT abuse young children as I have been. Also I choose to NOT like men because men were the ones that abused me. To say that people that are gay DONT have a choice is completely absurd. ITS A PERSONAL CHOICE.

LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CHOICES.

This is completely understandable. There's many people similar to you who had the same experience with black people, you can find them on stormfront.org or your local klan meeting. They will definitely share your pain about not being tolerated for thinking differently.

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> A vast majority of gay men have a defective male role model in their lives when
>they were young....

From my experience they have the same odds of "defective" role models as anyone else. (With the exception of people raised by gay parents; since they generally adopt, they are much more likely to be good parents.)

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Why, then, do children from the same family turn out so very differently sometimes? Assuming that parent treat kids generally the same way?

There are innate tendencies in kids -- treatment that would make one kid into a fearful piece of jello just energizes another kid; treatment that would make one kid think about the consequences of his actions does absolutely nothing to another.

Both enter, and the more out-of-the-normal either of them is, the less impact that the other factor has.

Thus you get the kid from the rich well-adjusted family who ends up in prison, and the kid from the poor family of crack addicts who ends up at Harvard. They are the exceptions, not the norm.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I'm new to dz.com. I've joined to talkand learn about a great way to get a way from the politics and bs on land. And here I see politics and bs? C'mon!

Hi John

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That is the most assinine statement I have ever heard. I was sexually abused as a kid. I choose to NOT abuse young children as I have been. Also I choose to NOT like men because men were the ones that abused me. To say that people that are gay DONT have a choice is completely absurd. ITS A PERSONAL CHOICE.

LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CHOICES.

This is completely understandable. There's many people similar to you who had the same experience with black people, you can find them on stormfront.org or your local klan meeting. They will definitely share your pain about not being tolerated for thinking differently.

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You keep on trollin for black folks.

Lets settle this now.

If I can across a fork in the road and there were two people on fire

1.) a pink unicorn dude complaining about his rights

2.) a black guy complaining about his rights.

I'd piss on the black guy to put his fire out before the pink unicorn dude.

Do you feel better now?

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I'm new to dz.com. I've joined to talkand learn about a great way to get a way from the politics and bs on land. And here I see politics and bs? C'mon!

Hi John

How can you be sure?




OK.. I tried to keep a straight face...

Remster

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I choose to NOT abuse young children as I have been.

Do you have a natural urge to abuse young children?

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Also I choose to NOT like men because men were the ones that abused me.

Do you have a natural urge to have sexual relations with men?

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To say that people that are gay DONT have a choice is completely absurd. ITS A PERSONAL CHOICE.

Did you make a conscious decision to be sexually attracted to women instead of men?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Do you have a natural urge to abuse young children?

If I had let my selt loathing continue and not accepted the love from my mother I would be in a dark place...but because of her...I had some form of hope...and in doing so I never had feelings that dark

I have had thoughts of my past in my mind but I chose not to accept the advances of my gay friends in the past because I am not attracted to men.

I beleive that if my parents seperated when I was young and I had to live with my father I would probably be dead from a drug overdose, or someone completely different.

I have seperated myself from my past after I had time to greive for myself. The planet keeps spinning whether I am emotionally stable or not. I chose to accept me as who I was and not dwell on my past and let that dictate my future.

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That is the most assinine statement I have ever heard. I was sexually abused as a kid. I choose to NOT abuse young children as I have been. Also I choose to NOT like men because men were the ones that abused me. To say that people that are gay DONT have a choice is completely absurd. ITS A PERSONAL CHOICE.

LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CHOICES.

This is completely understandable. There's many people similar to you who had the same experience with black people, you can find them on stormfront.org or your local klan meeting. They will definitely share your pain about not being tolerated for thinking differently.

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You keep on trollin for black folks.

Lets settle this now.

If I can across a fork in the road and there were two people on fire

1.) a pink unicorn dude complaining about his rights

2.) a black guy complaining about his rights.

I'd piss on the black guy to put his fire out before the pink unicorn dude.

Do you feel better now?

That's an odd analogy to bring up. I'm still trying to figure out which one you dislike most. It seems like you are pissing on the black guy for the sake of doing so, which leads me to believe you hate the blacks more. Would you piss on me first if the black guy was gay?

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I suspect your post would align better with a philosophy that:

every one is an individual, and to try and box them all into one set of assumptions is silly.

very likely people could be gay for many reasons - some healthy, some not, some pretty vaguely defined.

People are varied and amazing. I wouldn't accept a one size fits all rationalization or reason. For pretty much anything.


But I suspect that a very significantly "most" are just naturally inclined to be that way rather than the smaller group that would have various other reasons. And that's the perspective one has to take to it. If a very small subset actually did choose the lifestyle due to abuse, confusion, rebellion, to break into an acting career (ok, that last one is reaching).... It seems unfair to treat the entire group based on rare outliers....

On the other hand, the other side really does have to acknowledge those outliers as not really part of the community, but perhaps those people that need even more help and understanding.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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This fact is simple. Because in the past I've made a comment or two about black people... you now think you have the totalitarian answer to who I am.

You want me to be a racist so bad because then you can label me as such. Unfortunately, I grew up 'as a gay man...even though I wasnt'. I was the kid with the black hair spiked above his head because I was doing everything in my power to be 'different' than everyone else...and in doing so I was instantly labeled a 'queer'. I would get rednecks calling my house telling my parents I was taking it in the butt by other guys. So I chose to say 'fuck everyone' and I went the opposite direction with what I chose to represent myself to others.

I know whats its like to be ostracized in soceity.


So now that you know that you should also know I moved away from this area and moved to Dallas and lived there for over 15 years. 10 out of those 15 years were with the same black roommate. So yeah I could have said something about a black guy in the past...I dont like people who dont work for shit and live off the government. But if you want to use your all inclusive label on me youre going to have to do a better job.

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I have had thoughts of my past in my mind but I chose not to accept the advances of my gay friends in the past because I am not attracted to men.

There's the point then, you're not gay. If you were attracted to men you would be, but you're not so you aren't. That's not a choice, that's how you are.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?