Did 'Red Dawn' really piss off North Korea this bad?

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North Korea amplified its threatening rhetoric hours before a U.N. vote on new sweeping sanctions, vowing to launch a first-strike nuclear attack against the United States and threatening to engulf Washington in a "sea of fire."

An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for "a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors" because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.

At a mass rally in Pyongyang on Thursday, Army Gen. Kang Pyo Yong told the crowd that North Korea is ready to fire long-range nuclear-armed missiles at Washington.

"Intercontinental ballistic missiles and various other missiles, which have already set their striking targets, are now armed with lighter, smaller and diversified nuclear warheads and are placed on a standby status," Kang said. "When we shell (the missiles), Washington, which is the stronghold of evils, .... will be engulfed in a sea of fire."

Such inflammatory rhetoric is common from North Korea, and especially so in recent days. North Korea is angry over the possible sanctions and over upcoming U.S.-South Korean military drills. At a mass rally in Pyongyang on Thursday, tens of thousands of North Koreans protested the U.S.-South Korean war drills and sanctions.

The U.N. Security Council is set to impose a fourth round of sanctions against Pyongyang in a fresh attempt to rein in its nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the current council president, said the council would vote on the draft sanctions resolution Thursday morning.

The resolution was drafted by the United States and China, North Korea's closest ally. The council's agreement to put the resolution to a vote just 48 hours later signaled that it would almost certainly have the support of all 15 council members.

The statement by the North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman was carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

It accused the U.S. of leading efforts to slap sanctions on North Korea. The statement said the new sanctions would only advance the timing for North Korea to fulfill previous vows to take "powerful second and third countermeasures" against its enemies. It hasn't elaborated on those measures.

The statement said North Korea "strongly warns the U.N. Security Council not to make another big blunder like the one in the past when it earned the inveterate grudge of the Korean nation by acting as a war servant for the U.S. in 1950."

North Korea demanded the U.N. Security Council immediately dismantle the American-led U.N. Command that's based in Seoul and move to end the state of war that exists on the Korean Peninsula, which continues six decades after fighting stopped because an armistice, not a peace treaty, ended the war.

In anticipation of the resolution's adoption, North Korea earlier in the week threatened to cancel the 1953 cease-fire that ended the Korean War.

North Korean threats have become more common as tensions have escalated following a rocket launch by Pyongyang in December and its third nuclear test on Feb. 12. Both acts defied three Security Council resolutions that bar North Korea from testing or using nuclear or ballistic missile technology and from importing or exporting material for these programs.

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice said the proposed resolution, to be voted on at 10 a.m. EST (1500 GMT), would impose some of the strongest sanctions ever ordered by the United Nations.

The final version of the draft resolution, released Wednesday, identified three individuals, one corporation and one organization that would be added to the U.N. sanctions list if the measure is approved.

The targets include top officials at a company that is the country's primary arms dealer and main exporter of ballistic missile-related equipment, and a national organization responsible for research and development of missiles and probably nuclear weapons.

The success of a new round of sanctions could depend on enforcement by China, where most of the companies and banks that North Korea is believed to work with are based.

The United States and other nations worry that North Korea's third nuclear test pushed it closer to its goal of gaining nuclear missiles that can reach the U.S. The international community has condemned the regime's nuclear and missile efforts as threats to regional security and a drain on the resources that could go to North Korea's largely destitute people.

The draft resolution condemns the latest nuclear test "in the strongest terms" for violating and flagrantly disregarding council resolutions, bans further ballistic missile launches, nuclear tests "or any other provocation," and demands that North Korea return to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It also condemns all of North Korea's ongoing nuclear activities, including its uranium enrichment.

But the proposed resolution stresses the council's commitment "to a peaceful, diplomatic and political solution" and urged a resumption of six-party talks with the aim of denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula "in a peaceful manner."

The proposed resolution would make it significantly harder for North Korea to move around the funds it needs to carry out its illicit programs and strengthen existing sanctions and the inspection of suspect cargo bound to and from the country. It would also ban countries from exporting specific luxury goods to the North, including yachts, luxury automobiles, racing cars, and jewelry with semi-precious and precious stones and precious metals.

According to the draft, all countries would now be required to freeze financial transactions or services that could contribute to North Korea's nuclear or missile programs.

To get around financial sanctions, North Koreans have been carrying around large suitcases filled with cash to move illicit funds. The draft resolution expresses concern that these bulk cash transfers may be used to evade sanctions. It clarifies that the freeze on financial transactions and services that could violate sanctions applies to all cash transfers as well as the cash couriers.

The proposed resolution also bans all countries from providing public financial support for trade deals, such as granting export credits, guarantees or insurance, if the assistance could contribute to the North's nuclear or missile programs.

It includes what a senior diplomat called unprecedented new travel sanctions that would require countries to expel agents working for sanctioned North Korean companies.

The draft also requires states to inspect suspect cargo on their territory and prevent any vessel that refuses an inspection from entering their ports. And a new aviation measure calls on states to deny aircraft permission to take off, land or fly over their territory if illicit cargo is suspected to be aboard.



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/07/north-korea-vows-nuclear-attack-on-us-ahead-un-sanctions-vote/

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This kind of reminds me when after 911 happened, members of the government came out later and said that usama bin laden had vowed to attack.

Few in washington beleived anything would happen.

derrr

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It will take days for NK to fuel a missile, that currently can't even reach Los Angeles, much less Washington. Assuming we didn't destroy the missile before launch, I would imagine we have multiple Arleigh Burke's standing on station to shoot it down.

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They currently do not have the tech to deliver the weapon. Maybe in a few years, but their last missile launch barely got into orbit and was tumbling unstable. You can't launch a nuke strike with that.

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LOL... You got to love dyslexia, I read that as 'Did Red Dwarf ' really piss of North Korea?'

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If North Korea carry on with their behaviour I think we might see a Chinese led regime change and maybe even a Chinese 'stabilisation force' with boots on the ground in Korea to oversea the departure of the Leader and his replacement with a more compliant chap. Its not in Chinas interests for NK to commit serious cyber attacks on the USA let alone nuclear strikes.

People laughed when Bin Laden declared war on the USA in '98 and all he had was some flip flops and a cave.

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Its not in Chinas interests for NK to commit serious cyber attacks on the USA

Certainly not; that's China's own special turf. It's shit like that which starts mob wars.

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People laughed when Bin Laden declared war on the USA in '98 and all he had was some flip flops and a cave.

The VC won a war against the great satan with flip flops and black pj's. OK, and a few SAMs, but you get the point.

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You probably already know that North Korea has a long history of firing long-range missiles into the air, with mixed success. The country first showed off its aeronautical prowess—as much as a secretive authoritarian regime can—in 1998 with a Taepodong-1 rocket. Neither the rocket nor its satellite payload reached orbit. The country's second attempt in 2006 ended 40 seconds after liftoff when the Taepodong-2 rocket exploded. For its third attempt in 2009, North Korean engineers created a more advanced version of the Taepodong-2, known as the Unha-2 ("Galaxie-2"), but its third-stage engine failed to ignite and the entire assembly crashed into the Pacific Ocean. And in April of last year, North Korea's latest rocket iteration, the Unha-3, also "failed to reach orbit".

http://gizmodo.com/5989194/could-north-korea-really-hit-us-with-a-nuke

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So they likely won't hit us with a nuke warhead anytime soon, but that's not to say they couldn't somehow sneak out a nuke bomb around the reach of the sanctions the UN has declared on them, and quietly place it where they want to, and detonate it?

Even then, I don't think they're that far along in making a "suitcase" bomb.

More than likely they will aim their short range missiles at the huge military base we have in South Korea, and at Seoul in a conventional resumption of the Korean War.

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In other words...the 2nd ID.

If they attack that base will obama cover that up like Lybia?

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> I read that as 'Did red dwarf' really piss off north korea?

Where is Dr Who when you need him?

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So they likely won't hit us with a nuke warhead anytime soon,

well, they could slop one into the Pacific and when it washes up towards Alaska it could leak a bit and give some fish indigestion

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I bet if they sneaked one onto a ship,they could most likely fire it off the ship.
It would not be impossible to get a ship within a few hundred miles of the US coast.
I have to say as well,that I liked the original Red dawn and the remake.
In both movies the city mayor(most likely a liberal) becomes a collaborator,and the gun enthusiast become the resistance.
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I bet if they sneaked one onto a ship,they could most likely fire it off the ship.
It would not be impossible to get a ship within a few hundred miles of the US coast.
I have to say as well,that I liked the original Red dawn and the remake.
In both movies the city mayor(most likely a liberal) becomes a collaborator,and the gun enthusiast become the resistance.
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Haven't seen the remake. Not sure I want to. But the original, was awesome. Great cast! Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, C. Thomas Howell, Lea Thompson, Jennifer Grey, and Powers Boothe.



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I just got the blu-ray rip of the 2012 version of Red Dawn. The first one was fantastic. The second? Close but not as good IMO.

It might have something to do with the fact that when the original was released there was more of a chance of conflict between the USA and the USSR than the USA and NK. But I wont dispute the idea either.

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I just got the blu-ray rip of the 2012 version of Red Dawn. The first one was fantastic. The second? Close but not as good IMO.

It might have something to do with the fact that when the original was released there was more of a chance of conflict between the USA and the USSR than the USA and NK. But I wont dispute the idea either.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

However... I do think it's time to watch "Team America - World Police" again...

"team America, fuck yeah! Coming to save the motherfuckin' day!"

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I think you vastly underestimate the launch problem with that.

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I think you vastly underestimate the launch problem with that.

Yeah, I don't think they have the capability even with a boat like that. Not to say they couldn't sneak one out and put it on a freight ship in an ally's harbor in a container marked to cover up its origins, and bound for an LA or NY harbor, then BOOM.

I may be reaching though...

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person who likes to watch movies about dolls who like to crap on each others faces during sex. :)

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You can't launch a nuke strike with that

It’s almost like you think they’d be upset if they ended up sending up a nuke without sufficient energy that tumbles out of control and hits Nunavut

When does one stop trying to reason with the unreasonable?

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person who likes to watch movies about dolls who like to crap on each others faces during sex. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38zPRV7kY0

That was an epic scene. No shit there I was, thought I was gonna die from laughing so hard.

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If North Korea ever managed to detonate any type of nuclear weapon, anywhere outside of their country, our lives would change in ways we could not even imagine.

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I agree.

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If North Korea ever managed to detonate any type of nuclear weapon, anywhere outside of their country, our lives would change in ways we could not even imagine.

Indeed: back to no hair gel at the airport. Bastards.