What the fuck is wrong with america?

[billvon 3,132]

> A majority of kids these days feel things in life are OWED to them..rather than
>actually having to earn those same things for themselves.

When did you grow up? In the 1960's? That was the era where all the adults of the time lamented how the next generation were all hippies, lazy stinking sandal wearing pot smoking beatniks who hated America and would never amount to anything. They had sex without being married and did every drug under the sun. Why, some of them even protested against the just and righteous wars we were in! Gone were the days of the 1940's where people worked hard, valued patriotism and knew their place in society.

And today people are saying basically the same thing.

Note that that doesn't mean that such people didn't exist. "Welfare queens" exist today just as lazy potsmoking hippies existed back then. But they are far from the norm. Most people are still just average people, hardworking joes who just want to live their own lives.

[BillyVance 35]

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Just listen to rap.

Remember kids.... Rap Is Crap!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[masterrig 1]

Seems like in any store I've gone into, I'd see young employees standing around, texring and just killing time. I've also, seen a few that were actually trying to look busy. Kids seem to want the paycheck... they just don't want the work. I've got a niece and nephew who like your niece, never held a job in their lives. They both graduated from big name universities here in Texas. After graduating, they looked for work onthe internet but just couldn't find anything worth their time. They sat around the house and decided to go to grad school. My niece found a job at a bakery after grad school The nephew is presently in grad school. They are both good-good young people, they're just lazy and expect mom and dad to take care of them. I've heard that this type of thing is real common, now.


Chuck

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My neice quit Texas State University without completing a single semester. At least your neice and nephew advanced themselves by completing school. But my nephew isnt like that. He graduated with a bachelors degree and he is currently in Japan in the navy. But he was never coddled like kaitlin was. Go figure.

[Skyrad 0]

A valueless consumer culture which glorifies talentless shallow and plastic people. I'm not knocking America here, its just as bad in the UK.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I think that accountability has been replaced with lack of.
More,and more people demand respect above and beyond what they have earned, or deserve.
Less people give the basic respect to others that they demand for themselves.
For instance,when I was a little kid in the mid 60's,if someone dropped the f-bomb in public(especially with women and children present),there would be a line of men waiting to get a piece of their ass.If the cops came and you pressed charges,then you might as well move out of town.
People were polite,and gave the basic courtesy and respect to strangers and friends alike.
Now I see not just teens,but people in there 30's and even 40's using pofanity everywhere,even around women and children,the elderly,ect. They do this because the law will protect them from getting ass whooped for being assholes.
I also remember my parents being quite poor,and having nothing but ketchup sandwiches for dinner alot when I was around 5-6 years old,and we gladly ate horse meat.
My parents were terrified at the thought of taking welfare, as were most people at that time,and it was almost unheard off.
Only an occasional widowed mother would be on welfare,and then would still lower their heads in shame when you seen them in public.
Now we are all treated like children by our government,and less people feel responsibility for anything they do, or do not do.
So I blame the nanny state for most of the problems.
But what do I know,I'm just some 50 year old guy who grew up in a logging community.

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next generation were all hippies, lazy stinking sandal wearing pot smoking beatniks who hated America and would never amount to anything.

Those are the folks running the country now, and doing a piss poor job at that.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,132]

>But what do I know,I'm just some 50 year old guy who grew up in a logging community.

Which means that 35 years ago, you were the generation that the 50 year olds were complaining about. All those drugs, free sex, no showers, no job, long hair, rock and roll, living together . . . .

"Get a haircut and get a real job!"

[billvon 3,132]

>Those are the folks running the country now, and doing a piss poor job at that.

And running the military, and Apple, and Intel, and Microsoft, and Exxon, and Ford.

[toolbox 0]

>Get a haircut and get a real job.

George Thorogood and the destroyers.
Yep,liked to party,and rocked out,but always respected my elders,strangers,animals,and property.
We were still held accountable in those days as well.

[kallend 2,182]

THIS.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,132]

>We were still held accountable in those days as well.

So are kids today. You read about the exceptions, not the rule.

[BillyVance 35]

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>Get a haircut and get a real job.

George Thorogood and the destroyers.
Yep,liked to party,and rocked out,but always respected my elders,strangers,animals,and property.
We were still held accountable in those days as well.

B B B B B B B B Bad to the bone!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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>B B B B B B B B Bad to the bone!
I drink alone!all by myself

[BillyVance 35]

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>B B B B B B B B Bad to the bone!
I drink alone!all by myself

I was part of a loose group of long distance runners, some of whom were ultra marathoners, who called themselves Team B.A.D. (Built Around Distance) and that song was their theme song.

They sang it a lot on their long practice runs. Thank god I couldn't hear how bad they were at it.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Croc 0]

Very sobering. Thanks for posting that. My brother-in-law, who, when I was a kid, would have been "lower middle class" is now part of "the working poor." He recently took his 22 year old daughter aside and told her that she had a choice--work under the table and have cash but no health insurance, or get a low paying job with benifits. People who frequent this website are mostly comfortable, I would imagine, as skydiving is expensive. But as I age (I'm sixty-one) I see myself falling behind. I just paid $5000 cash for my deductable for my knee surgery. Medical expences are killing us. We are not far from having people walking around with cancer because they can't afford a doctor, but are working so they do not have access to Medicaid. We lost the war in Vietnam, which never should have been fought, we lost the war on drugs, which never should have been fought, and one could argue that we have already lost the war on terror; we are impoverished.

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy

[masterrig 1]

Girls are supposed to be coddled... just ask them! Good for your nephew! I was reading a news story awhile back that said this seems to bea trend in this country. Kids going to college, graduating and returning to their parents home. Here we go... when I turned 18, I went to college and my Dad broke my plate!!


Chuck

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Speaking of kids, there just wasn't enough of the right kind of kids being born. Look, wanting a down syndrome baby was a recent phenomenon. Also, inclusion of handicap into main stream classrooms have watered down the populace. Immigration and welfare/ crack babies haven't helped. Society is nothing like it was. Just listen to rap. Find all your answers there, as it's the poetry of the people.

Careful, don't you want to make sure the veil on your thinly-veiled racism stays in place? Or you just wanna come out and say that it's the retards and the coloreds that are causing all the problems?

God forbid you refer to people to as you do.

But the idea a person in a wheel chair banging his head on a desk so that 40 other students are distracted and held back is not any idea of a progressive society.

Half of all the ADA's in DC never graduate from high school. Those stats are well published.

[billvon 3,132]

>But the idea a person in a wheel chair banging his head on a desk so that 40 other
>students are distracted and held back is not any idea of a progressive society.

The idea that you would be "held back" by seeing someone in a wheelchair is even more worrisome.

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> A majority of kids these days feel things in life are OWED to them..rather than
>actually having to earn those same things for themselves.

When did you grow up? In the 1960's? That was the era where all the adults of the time lamented how the next generation were all hippies, lazy stinking sandal wearing pot smoking beatniks who hated America and would never amount to anything. They had sex without being married and did every drug under the sun. Why, some of them even protested against the just and righteous wars we were in! Gone were the days of the 1940's where people worked hard, valued patriotism and knew their place in society.

And today people are saying basically the same thing.

Note that that doesn't mean that such people didn't exist. "Welfare queens" exist today just as lazy potsmoking hippies existed back then. But they are far from the norm. Most people are still just average people, hardworking joes who just want to live their own lives.

Just and righteous wars? It's clear you don't have any brothers, sisters, dads or mom on the Wall...
Vietnam a just war. You've got to be kidding.

[billvon 3,132]

>Just and righteous wars? . . .Vietnam a just war. You've got to be kidding.

No, I don't think it was a just war - that's what the feeling at the time was. The unpatriotic lousy stinkin' hippies were protesting a just and righteous war. Or so their parents believed.

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I understand you now. But what I don't understand is why you feel the need to continually cut in lines of type as if the author hasn't a clue what they typed. Why do you do this? Please note that I didn't need to cut in your type.

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You have no idea about special education law and matter pertaining to least restricted environment. 94-142 Law

Which doesn't work. Handicapped, One on one teacher, per handicapped student... so the OTHER students can't progress as rapidly due to the instructor having to slow up to take care of the slow ones... same matter as you trying to teach a down syndrom guy to skydive when the Ducati owner guy is in your class and rolling his eyes thinking WTF am I doing in this class etc.

Jeesh, didn't think this would be that hard to get across but most don't have a clue about our educational system.

[billvon 3,132]

>But what I don't understand is why you feel the need to continually cut in lines of type
>as if the author hasn't a clue what they typed. Why do you do this?'

To make it clear what I am replying to. Many posts have more than one section, and sometimes I reply to more than one post at a time.

>ame matter as you trying to teach a down syndrom guy to skydive when the Ducati
>owner guy is in your class and rolling his eyes thinking WTF am I doing in this class

"Teaching a Down syndrome guy to skydive?" I have no idea what you are talking about anymore.

[wmw999 2,602]

There are students who are disruptive enough to hurt others in the class. Sometimes it ends up that those other students learn other, better lessons from that. Sometimes not.

But, then, sometimes the guy on the Ducati ends up in a class full of perfectly normal kids who aren't naturals at skydiving, or the smart kid ends up in the "regular" algebra class, or whatever.

Life is like that. The more of it you're exposed to, the better. The current national obsession with molding a little mini-world that suits your own needs isn't real life.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)