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So, who do you think is ultimatley responcible ?

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If the WH or DHS are not, who is? In the end anyway......

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Thousands of illegal immigrants already released, according to report







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Thousands of illegal immigrants ticketed for deportation have been released from federal detention centers in recent weeks, according to a report that came out even as the White House and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied any involvement in the policy


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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The party that is so beholden to the very very rich that rather than close the tax loopholes they've created for the super wealthy, they would prefer to risk the nation's economy and general well being, and screw the middle class.
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re·spon·si·ble
/riˈspänsəbəl/
Adjective
Having an obligation to do something as part of a job or role.
Being the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it.
Synonyms
liable - accountable - answerable - amenable - reliable


If that was what you meant....I am not sure....But I find it interesting its such a problem......jails all over the nation routinely let criminals free before their sentences are done due to overcrowding and budget issues...this is news? I guess because they are mexicans? and not good ole' fashion 'MERICAN criminals.

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Who is responsible? I'd say the American people are responsible for allowing the "Culture of Entitlements" grow to where it is today. Americans could pay higher taxes and it wouldn't kill you. I pay way more taxes now that I am back in my native Canuckistan compared to what I paid when I lived in the US and while I have far less discretionary income now, I still manage to keep my head above the water (well at least I think it is above the water). But you could tax American's at 100%, in otherwords take all of their assets (this would include taking the resident professor's beloved airplane away from him) and it would just barely pay for one maybe two years of US spending. But then where would you be when there is nothing else to tax and you still have a mountain of entitlements that need to be paid out? The US is on the fast track to bankruptcy and it does appear that you are past the point of no return. Oh well, all dominate societies in the history of the world have collapsed. America is no different. Time to learn Mandarin?

The blame lies on the back of all Americans for allowing the "Culture of Entitlements" to grow.


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If you include the US's bloated military-industrial complex as a recipient of a massive chunk of wasteful "entitlements", then you might have a point. Anyone with any real understanding of the US who fails to acknowledge this is missing the point.

Oh, and add to that:
-Entitlements for government bailouts for huge corporations "too big to fail", while they still pay their executives 7-figure salaries, etc., etc.
- Entitlements for those with enough discretionary wealth (i.e., the poor and much of the middle class cannot afford it) to have most of their assets and income in the form of capital gains, which are taxed at a steeply discounted rate, compared to income from ordinary wages and employment.

It isn't the entitlements to the Have-Nots that are sucking us down, it's the entitlements to the Haves (which the have-nots do not qualify for) that are.

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It isn't the entitlements to the Have-Nots that are sucking us down, it's the entitlements to the Haves (which the have-nots do not qualify for) that are.



No,it's all of it.

Too many takers at all levels of income and not enough paying their fair share combined with heavily bloated agencies/programs that don't even fulfill there own agendas yet continue to operate and expand.
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Honest question[:/]

If the WH or DHS are not, who is? In the end anyway......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/01/thousands-illegal-immigrants-already-released-according-to-report/

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Thousands of illegal immigrants ticketed for deportation have been released from federal detention centers in recent weeks, according to a report that came out even as the White House and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied any involvement in the policy.



The buck stops... nowhere. It never reaches anybody's desk, unless it's a buck that POTUS didn't like, and then he'll use the full force of federal everything to throw his target under the bus or into prison. But hey, doing something he likes? Please. No one is going to suffer for this. We still haven't seen any real punishments dished out for Gunwalker. (let's not go to the lack of any repercussions for Waco, Ruby Ridge, or the other great boondoggles in recent history).
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If the WH or DHS are not, who is? In the end anyway......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/01/thousands-illegal-immigrants-already-released-according-to-report/

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Thousands of illegal immigrants ticketed for deportation have been released from federal detention centers in recent weeks, according to a report that came out even as the White House and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied any involvement in the policy.



The buck stops... nowhere. It never reaches anybody's desk, unless it's a buck that POTUS didn't like, and then he'll use the full force of federal everything to throw his target under the bus or into prison. But hey, doing something he likes? Please. No one is going to suffer for this. We still haven't seen any real punishments dished out for Gunwalker. (let's not go to the lack of any repercussions for Waco, Ruby Ridge, or the other great boondoggles in recent history).


You're sweating the small stuff. The biggest boondoggle of all was the Iraq war, costing thousands of US lives and over a $TRILLION, and based on lies.
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Honest question[:/]

If the WH or DHS are not, who is? In the end anyway......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/01/thousands-illegal-immigrants-already-released-according-to-report/

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Thousands of illegal immigrants ticketed for deportation have been released from federal detention centers in recent weeks, according to a report that came out even as the White House and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied any involvement in the policy.



The buck stops... nowhere. It never reaches anybody's desk, unless it's a buck that POTUS didn't like, and then he'll use the full force of federal everything to throw his target under the bus or into prison. But hey, doing something he likes? Please. No one is going to suffer for this. We still haven't seen any real punishments dished out for Gunwalker. (let's not go to the lack of any repercussions for Waco, Ruby Ridge, or the other great boondoggles in recent history).


You're sweating the small stuff. The biggest boondoggle of all was the Iraq war, costing thousands of US lives and over a $TRILLION, and based on lies.


The war in Afgan was necessary to ensure the gang could keep the flow of heroin in tack. In fact, millions are still being spent to work on the trade route through the mountains, which will resume once we quit flying it back here on military aircraft.

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Honest question[:/]

If the WH or DHS are not, who is? In the end anyway......

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Thousands of illegal immigrants already released, according to report







http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/01/thousands-illegal-immigrants-already-released-according-to-report/

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Thousands of illegal immigrants ticketed for deportation have been released from federal detention centers in recent weeks, according to a report that came out even as the White House and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied any involvement in the policy



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The buck stops... nowhere. It never reaches anybody's desk, unless it's a buck that POTUS didn't like, and then he'll use the full force of federal everything to throw his target under the bus or into prison. But hey, doing something he likes? Please. No one is going to suffer for this. We still haven't seen any real punishments dished out for Gunwalker. (let's not go to the lack of any repercussions for Waco, Ruby Ridge, or the other great boondoggles in recent history).



You're sweating the small stuff. The biggest boondoggle of all was the Iraq war, costing thousands of US lives and over a $TRILLION, and based on lies.



While misleading the public to lead the country into war is clearly more destructive than criminal actions at individual domestic enforcement actions, I was sticking to violations of or abuse committed by criminal law. Acts like using gas canisters known to start fires; Changing rules of engagement from normal to "shoot on sight if armed"; intentionally aiding and abetting smuggling arms to violent criminal gangs and the cartels. At least Ollie North was dismissed from his post and criminally prosecuted, which is far more than you can say for any of our other examples.
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>If the WH or DHS are not, who is? In the end anyway.

We are. We elected the people who voted for the sequester. Those automatic spending cuts are requiring government agencies to spend less money. Less money = fewer prison cells.

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So, who do you think is ultimatley responcible ?




eye doen noe, hoo du yu thenk iz ultimatley responcible?

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Those automatic spending cuts are requiring government agencies to spend less money. Less money = fewer prison cells.



That is some funny shit billvon
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You know Bills post might in it's on way be a good example of what has gone on these last few years.

When I first came to dz.com you could barely tell where Bill fell on the political side of things. I respected his thoughts because they seem well balanced.

Now Bill is fairly well established as a liberal in most of the debates here.

Is that wrong? Of course not!

But as Bill has gone the country has gone. (He's directing the country :P )

This isn't a PA on Bill just the observation that it seems that people that once road down the middle of the road now seem to be hard right or hard left.

Personally I think the 24 hr news cycle is to blame.....we have a predetermind view, we watch whatever channel supports that view and become harder in our view.

Having said that I still read Bills post for the occasionally times that old Bill shows up. :)

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>When I first came to dz.com you could barely tell where Bill fell on the political side of
>things. Now Bill is fairly well established as a liberal in most of the debates here.

It's funny; on science boards I am often attacked as a conservative due to my stands on nuclear power, the minimum wage, gun rights, taxes, foreign aid, government spending etc. But to each their own.

Speaker's Corner in particular has become very right wing over the past eight years or so. It was started as a place to discuss politics, guns and religion, and thus was set up for this from the beginning. (Right wingers like talking about guns, and this place was created partly for them so they wouldn't gum up the main forums.) The vast majority of moderates and most of the left wingers have left due to the constant attacks and bickering.

Thus, a poster who hasn't changed at all will be seen as more and more liberal as the forum drifts towards the right wing. Nothing wrong with that; the forum is definitely serving its purpose as a place where people can go that is NOT any of the main boards to discuss stuff they want.

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>Speaker's Corner in particular has become very right wing over the past eight years or so.



Claim what you like, I've been here about that long, I think. IMO - it's not pushing right at all, and the attacks seem to be more vitriolic from the left, frankly.

It's drifted, but not right or left. It's just gotten more idiotic. The split is still there, only the volume has gone up across the board. Everyone talks like they are reading bumper stickers. A few people try to be reasonable on either side, but they get beat on until they lose heart and just get jaded.

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the attacks seem to be more vitriolic from the left,



Only a dog-kicking douche would think that. That is, if he could think at all.

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Else they don't get that clean top spin.

It's a great transition from that wet, wide eyed look of utter trust to them spinning through the air with their tongues flapping against their face

Edit: actually, I think with Jeanne taking off, people are just trying to fill the void. She provided an essential service and now it's gone and the amateurs are just not measuring up.

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>When I first came to dz.com you could barely tell where Bill fell on the political side of
>things. Now Bill is fairly well established as a liberal in most of the debates here.

It's funny; on science boards I am often attacked as a conservative due to my stands on nuclear power, the minimum wage, gun rights, taxes, foreign aid, government spending etc. But to each their own.

Speaker's Corner in particular has become very right wing over the past eight years or so. It was started as a place to discuss politics, guns and religion, and thus was set up for this from the beginning. (Right wingers like talking about guns, and this place was created partly for them so they wouldn't gum up the main forums.) The vast majority of moderates and most of the left wingers have left due to the constant attacks and bickering.

Thus, a poster who hasn't changed at all will be seen as more and more liberal as the forum drifts towards the right wing. Nothing wrong with that; the forum is definitely serving its purpose as a place where people can go that is NOT any of the main boards to discuss stuff they want.



I don’t think people have moved right

I think the topics have moved left and the right is getting more vocal

Getting tired of bowing down to the PC crowd if you will

As for your positions?

You are a conundrum to me more often than not

But I am learning:)
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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the attacks seem to be more vitriolic from the left,



Only a dog-kicking douche would think that. That is, if he could think at all.

:)


Why do you kick dogs?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The vast majority of moderates and most of the left wingers have left due to the constant attacks and bickering.



I consider myself pretty moderate. I used to post here quite a bit. I now pop in once every month or so, shake my head at all the screaming and ignorance, make a couple posts, then ignore it again for awhile.

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