airdvr 210 #1 February 27, 2013 http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/27/opinion/kossek-yahoo-mayer/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 She must be crazy wanting to people to actually come to work. WTF is wrong with people?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #2 February 27, 2013 >She must be crazy wanting to people to actually come to work. No, but she's pretty shortsighted. We have a lot of people who work remotely. We get better people for less money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #3 February 27, 2013 While that might be true she is the CEO of a company that last year was extremely weak. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=YHOO+Analyst+Estimates Anyways, the analysts seem to like what she is doing.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #4 February 27, 2013 >While that might be true she is the CEO of a company that last year was extremely weak. Yep. Cisco and Intel seem to be doing pretty well, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 February 27, 2013 Quote>She must be crazy wanting to people to actually come to work. No, but she's pretty shortsighted. We have a lot of people who work remotely. We get better people for less money. yeah, imagine the commuting costs for the call in center staff from India ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #6 February 27, 2013 Yeah. In my field most of us work best from home (IT). Less distractions, less commute time (which translates to more work time), etc. We've had a lot of success with with remote employees. Every once in a while we have a bad apple, but if you can hold people accountable (as mentioned in the article) those "payroll glitches" tend to work themselves out. Unattended though there's plenty of opportunity for abuse - which signals a management problem to me. In Yahoo's case I'd bet good money that's the problem too. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #7 February 27, 2013 QuoteYeah. In my field most of us work best from home (IT). Less distractions, less commute time (which translates to more work time), etc. We've had a lot of success with with remote employees. Every once in a while we have a bad apple, but if you can hold people accountable (as mentioned in the article) those "payroll glitches" tend to work themselves out. Unattended though there's plenty of opportunity for abuse - which signals a management problem to me. In Yahoo's case I'd bet good money that's the problem too. Ian Quite possible, but I think she'd like to 'inspect the troops' as it were.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #8 February 27, 2013 it depends on the work being done, and the set of employees. I work with a development group that used to be 90% co-located in Austin, TX. Over the past few years, people have moved on and around, and now, I am the only person in Austin working on this project. I'm supposed to be in the office as our VP declared anyone with an assigned office who lives within 50 miles of that office space, should be in the office 5days a week. Management is mostly ignoring the rule, and it makes absolutely no sense for me. So sometimes, with co-located employees who need to collaborate on something, in-office works better. But not always.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 900 #9 February 27, 2013 It comes across as "I don't trust you to work on your own. Come into the office where I can keep my thumb on you." I'm so very thankful I have the professional freedom to decide what it takes to do my job and so long as I do it, my bosses do not care. I never see a customer, I never touch actual gear, work via instant messenger and conference calls while working on remote devices. I could do my job just as well if I were at a DZ. Albeit one WITH cell or WiFi coverage. Have many times. I've even been given a week's vacation with the understanding I was to remain available remotely during the whole time. I had a blast at that boogie. I also contributed to the maintenance on our network and kept it running. I do dislike being called in at 4am though. Part of the cost of the flexibility to do as I please I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #10 February 27, 2013 Quote So sometimes, with co-located employees who need to collaborate on something, in-office works better. But not always. Definitely agree with you there. We all get together in the design phase, face to face, to hash out things. Then we scatter and deliver Doing design with a remote team isn't always fun. We've done some teleconferencing in these cases and that seems to work better - but not as good as face time. That said, the majority of our day is head down coding. We use IM and phone 99.9999% of the time for every day tasks. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #11 February 27, 2013 Quote That said, the majority of our day is head down coding. We use IM and phone 99.9999% of the time for every day tasks. when I was a sysadmin, I'd not hear people talking to me when I was in deep hackmode. But a msg in IRC or an IM would prompt an immediate response. followed typically by a memory swapout to a text file and departing for lunch and/or beer.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #12 February 27, 2013 I expect they'll lose the most talented people who have the ability to move on, and keep the others. They'll come in to the office, be resentful, and do poor work.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 February 28, 2013 Quote Yeah. In my field most of us work best from home (IT). Less distractions, less commute time (which translates to more work time), etc. All true, and more; I opted to start working from home to avoid morons in adjacent cubicles who thought it was appropriate to do things like: 1. Hold impromptu meetings in the adjacent aisle with everyone talking as loudly as possible, 2. Make personal phone calls with the phone on *speaker*. And then they would get PO'd at *me* for objecting.And in addition, at home I have use of my own double-width rack of networking gear where I can replicate issues, and test proposed changes. Every instance I've seen of attempts to set up labs at the office always result in gear being commandeered for "emergency" deployment, or "temporary" use, never to be seen again. The result is the only thing left in the company "lab" is broken junk."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 February 28, 2013 Quote Unattended though there's plenty of opportunity for abuse - which signals a management problem to me. In Yahoo's case I'd bet good money that's the problem too. No one is really hiding the fact that this is a house cleaning exercise. Does anyone want to pretend that Yahoo is doing well? The reality is that its been floundering for years and the vast majority of good talent left. Now it's full of people collecting paychecks, and a large number of those telecommuters aren't doing shit, aren't being held accountable. This a their failing, and their managers' failing. If she is going to turn around Yahoo, it's going to happen with people who care enough to show up and fight for success. They'll lose a very small number of worthwhile people. (and more likely, they will tell them to stick it out for a year and then the home work will be restored) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #15 February 28, 2013 I've been working from home for 8 years. I have gone as long as 18 months without going into the office. If they ever told me I had to go back to working in the office, I'm not sure what I would do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #16 February 28, 2013 QuoteQuote Unattended though there's plenty of opportunity for abuse - which signals a management problem to me. In Yahoo's case I'd bet good money that's the problem too. No one is really hiding the fact that this is a house cleaning exercise. Does anyone want to pretend that Yahoo is doing well? The reality is that its been floundering for years and the vast majority of good talent left. Now it's full of people collecting paychecks, and a large number of those telecommuters aren't doing shit, aren't being held accountable. This a their failing, and their managers' failing. If she is going to turn around Yahoo, it's going to happen with people who care enough to show up and fight for success. They'll lose a very small number of worthwhile people. (and more likely, they will tell them to stick it out for a year and then the home work will be restored) I'm with you. She is getting people she wants gone to quit. now she doesnt have to pay them a severance or part of any bonuses they were promised. Seems very normal for a competitive job. In my business we just cut your payout or bonus till you get angry and quit."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 February 28, 2013 Yep, Yahoo is doing terrible. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=YHOO+Interactive#symbol=yhoo;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #18 February 28, 2013 QuoteYep, Yahoo is doing terrible. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=YHOO+Interactive#symbol=yhoo;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined; Yes, it is.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #19 February 28, 2013 QuoteYep, Yahoo is doing terrible. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=YHOO+Interactive#symbol=yhoo;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined; Bring that chart back 10 years a then overlay it to GOOG, its main comp. Then tell me you think the company is doing fine. of course, if your a shareholder and happy, then my point in moot but id bet you would be in the minority. they are not happy as evidenced by the stock performance long term and the hiring of Marissa in the first place. Your chart shows a tiny pop based on her hiring. it has a long way to go to catch up to GOOG. i edited to correct spelling of MOOT. I swear i know the difference between mute and moot."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #21 February 28, 2013 Quote Moot. at first i thought you were agreeing with me. then it dawned on me what i did. im a dolt and deserved to be mocked."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 900 #22 February 28, 2013 nah, just human. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 February 28, 2013 I'm glad I bought yahoo stock last year. I hope they continue do do so terrible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 900 #24 February 28, 2013 I'm still unconvinced that penny stocks are worth the effort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #25 February 28, 2013 QuoteI'm glad I bought yahoo stock last year. I hope they continue do do so terrible I'm glad your position is working out. you completely missed my point."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
