NOAA says global temps same as 1995

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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/08/world/world-climate-change


Fun new study.

"If not for man-made influences, the Earth would be in a very cold phase right now and getting even colder, according the joint study by Oregon State University and Harvard University. Marcott was the lead author of the report on its results."

"The scientists did the study to put the global temperature trends into a long-range perspective, Marcott said. Critics of climate change research, which has generally covered the last 1,500 to 2,000 years, have complained that it has been too short-sighted.
They argue that the shorter studies have not taken into account that the warming Earth is seeing today could have happened before naturally -- thousands of years ago.
These shorter studies have been based on methods that are very different from the Harvard-OSU research, but in the 2,000 years that they overlap, the results have been basically the same."

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How do they know this?

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How do they know this?

You got to wonder
Had this been the case all along I think we would have heard this argument before

But it has taken them what, 10 years to come up with this?

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[kallend 2,146]

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How many inches of global warming do you have there in the windy city?

Less snow than a decade ago, or 2 decades ago, or 3 decades ago.

And I see you STILL confuse weather with climate when it suits you.

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[sfzombie 3]

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/03/global-temperatures-hung-a-u-turn-in-1900-reversing-a-5000-year-chill-down/

i can play the "post the link that confirms what you're saying" game as well. it just shows that you can find opposing views from anywhere on this internet thingy. and last time i checked, it was the earth they were talking about.

even had i not read this story, it only makes sense that the earth cycles through climate changes all by itself. and emitting that much co2 into the air with no great warming effects would lend a certain credence to this new theory. but hey, i live in reality where common sense often comes into use. but then, i don't have much use for theories, even this one. once again, common sense would dictate we are in the process of ruining the planet for a little creature comfort, we need to stop. but you probably wouldn't understand that either. it wasn't written in a book by anyone with actual credentials. common sense is one of the things that escapes the world of academia the longer one participates.

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That is odd because northern hemisphere snow cover is at or near an all-time high.

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http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/03/global-temperatures-hung-a-u-turn-in-1900-reversing-a-5000-year-chill-down/

i can play the "post the link that confirms what you're saying" game as well. it just shows that you can find opposing views from anywhere on this internet thingy. and last time i checked, it was the earth they were talking about.

even had i not read this story, it only makes sense that the earth cycles through climate changes all by itself. and emitting that much co2 into the air with no great warming effects would lend a certain credence to this new theory. but hey, i live in reality where common sense often comes into use. but then, i don't have much use for theories, even this one. once again, common sense would dictate we are in the process of ruining the planet for a little creature comfort, we need to stop. but you probably wouldn't understand that either. it wasn't written in a book by anyone with actual credentials. common sense is one of the things that escapes the world of academia the longer one participates.

Im confused I thought Kallend was a supporter of global warming....

that link doesn't oppose that view, it supports it.

[kallend 2,146]

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http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/03/global-temperatures-hung-a-u-turn-in-1900-reversing-a-5000-year-chill-down/

i can play the "post the link that confirms what you're saying" game as well. it just shows that you can find opposing views from anywhere on this internet thingy. and last time i checked, it was the earth they were talking about.

even had i not read this story, it only makes sense that the earth cycles through climate changes all by itself. and emitting that much co2 into the air with no great warming effects would lend a certain credence to this new theory. but hey, i live in reality where common sense often comes into use. but then, i don't have much use for theories, even this one. once again, common sense would dictate we are in the process of ruining the planet for a little creature comfort, we need to stop. but you probably wouldn't understand that either. it wasn't written in a book by anyone with actual credentials. common sense is one of the things that escapes the world of academia the longer one participates.

Im confused I thought Kallend was a supporter of global warming....

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I support good science.

I do not support cherry picking data to support the agenda of big energy, nor do I support misrepresenting weather as climate change.

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That is odd because northern hemisphere snow cover is at or near an all-time high.

So the climate is changing. Some places get more snow, some get less.

Up until last week Dallas, TX, had received more snow this winter than my town in IL.

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That is odd because northern hemisphere snow cover is at or near an all-time high.

So the climate is changing. Some places get more snow, some get less.

Up until last week Dallas, TX, had received more snow this winter than my town in IL.

What happend last week?

This is what confuses me. I thought that CO2 caused warming, and that warming was going to lead lots of bad stuff. Now, with the advancement of climate science, manmade CO2 can now cause COOLING by way of warming, and lots of bad stuff. It appears to be highly technical and well beyond my comprehension. Please explain to me how CO2 has an impact on the climate, without warming.

[kallend 2,146]

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That is odd because northern hemisphere snow cover is at or near an all-time high.

So the climate is changing. Some places get more snow, some get less.

Up until last week Dallas, TX, had received more snow this winter than my town in IL.

What happend last week?

This is what confuses me. I thought that CO2 caused warming, and that warming was going to lead lots of bad stuff. Now, with the advancement of climate science, manmade CO2 can now cause COOLING by way of warming, and lots of bad stuff. It appears to be highly technical and well beyond my comprehension. Please explain to me how CO2 has an impact on the climate, without warming.

Sheesh, talk about willful ignorance!

www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/growth-shift.html

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[kallend 2,146]

www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/11/mineral-riches-uncovered-by-climate-change-at-stake-in-greenland-election/

Not all industries are in a state of denial like Big Oil and Big Coal.

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How many inches of global warming do you have there in the windy city?

Less snow than a decade ago, or 2 decades ago, or 3 decades ago.

And I see you STILL confuse weather with climate when it suits you.

"According to data from the Rutgers Global Snow Lab, the winter average snow cover extent for the contiguous U.S. was 1.3 million square miles, which was 127,000 square miles above the 1981-2010 average. This marked the 15th largest seasonal snow cover extent in the 1966-present period of record."

[kallend 2,146]

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How many inches of global warming do you have there in the windy city?

Less snow than a decade ago, or 2 decades ago, or 3 decades ago.

And I see you STILL confuse weather with climate when it suits you.

"According to data from the Rutgers Global Snow Lab, the winter average snow cover extent for the contiguous U.S. was 1.3 million square miles, which was 127,000 square miles above the 1981-2010 average. This marked the 15th largest seasonal snow cover extent in the 1966-present period of record."

1. You asked about Chicago, I answered.

2. Chicago isn't the USA.

3. The USA isn't the world.

4. Climate CHANGE does different things in different places and during different seasons.

Do you practice making stupid posts, or does it come naturally to you?

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Last warning. Cut it out.

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How many inches of global warming do you have there in the windy city?

Less snow than a decade ago, or 2 decades ago, or 3 decades ago.

And I see you STILL confuse weather with climate when it suits you.

"According to data from the Rutgers Global Snow Lab, the winter average snow cover extent for the contiguous U.S. was 1.3 million square miles, which was 127,000 square miles above the 1981-2010 average. This marked the 15th largest seasonal snow cover extent in the 1966-present period of record."

1. You asked about Chicago, I answered.

2. Chicago isn't the USA.

3. The USA isn't the world.================
Now someone just has to let you know. Oh, BTW, here comes climate-gate 3.0. Grab your ankles.

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Wow! http://news.yahoo.com/human-climate-change-big-factor-somali-famine-112505610.html

Turns out that Africa would not experience any more drought if not for climate change. Indeed, climate change is up to "99 percent of the cause of the failure of the 2011 rains."

Wow. Drought is the result of climate change. The droughts before climate change? Those would have ended.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[brenthutch 444]

"The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the December–February period was 0.51°C (0.92°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.8°F), making it the 12th warmest such period on record."

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/2

Wow not even in the top 10? With CO2 at the highest levels in history?

I think we can all agree this is a good thing. With the USA overtaking Saudi Arabia as the number one oil producer, thanks to oil shale, and a decades long supply of natural gas thanks to fracking, things are starting to look up for our economy and our environment.

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[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html

"Many scientists say the pause, and new research into factors such as smoke particles and ocean cycles, has made them rethink what is termed ‘climate sensitivity’ – how much the world will warm for a given level of CO2.


Yesterday Piers Forster, Climate Change Professor at Leeds University, said: ‘The fact that global surface temperatures haven’t risen in the last 15 years, combined with good knowledge of the terms changing climate, make the high estimates unlikely.’ "