brenthutch 444 #26 February 26, 2013 Quote>If you call burning CO2 producing fossil fuels green. A heck of a lot greener than coal! Not as green as solar or wind. But one step at a time. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; And unlike solar and wind, it is cheaper and more reliable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #27 February 26, 2013 Why shouldn't we have a mosaic of sources of energy? Wind and solar in their places (which, given that the ongoing costs are for equipment, not fuel, means a different algorithm), with fueled energy driving the times that they're not up to the load. That way our fuel will last longer, and, with decreased demand, cost less while its lasting longer. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #28 February 26, 2013 >And unlike solar and wind, it is cheaper and more reliable. True, although wind is reaching parity. The future of large scale solar probably belongs to large solar-thermal plants that use the sun when it's out (and when demand is high) and natural gas when the sun is down. Same turbine/generator plant, same reliability, far lower fuel costs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 February 26, 2013 Quote>And unlike solar and wind, it is cheaper and more reliable. True, although wind is reaching parity. The future of large scale solar probably belongs to large solar-thermal plants that use the sun when it's out (and when demand is high) and natural gas when the sun is down. Same turbine/generator plant, same reliability, far lower fuel costs. Tell me what have you been told is the best availability of a given turbine sight?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #30 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuote>Only if the enviromental idocy remains as it is or get nuttier No, even now gas is cheaper than coal. >As for the coal plants. More alarmism Do a bit of research, my friend. Compare SOx, NOx and particulate emissions between coal and NG fired plants. (Also compare CO2 emissions if you care to, although they are not direct health threats to local communities.) I didnt say that they do not have these emissions. However, the health issues are not near what you like to post here (again I did not say did not exist) Backpedaling now? You seem conveniently to omit the health issues associated with MINING the coal in the first place. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326201751.htm www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/health/wva-study-unearths-higher-health-risks-in-coal-mining-communities-387564/ (Many more like that)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote>Only if the enviromental idocy remains as it is or get nuttier No, even now gas is cheaper than coal. >As for the coal plants. More alarmism Do a bit of research, my friend. Compare SOx, NOx and particulate emissions between coal and NG fired plants. (Also compare CO2 emissions if you care to, although they are not direct health threats to local communities.) I didnt say that they do not have these emissions. However, the health issues are not near what you like to post here (again I did not say did not exist) Backpedaling now? You seem conveniently to omit the health issues associated with MINING the coal in the first place. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326201751.htm www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/health/wva-study-unearths-higher-health-risks-in-coal-mining-communities-387564/ (Many more like that) Not backpedaling at all But a typical kallend redivert"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #32 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Only if the enviromental idocy remains as it is or get nuttier No, even now gas is cheaper than coal. >As for the coal plants. More alarmism Do a bit of research, my friend. Compare SOx, NOx and particulate emissions between coal and NG fired plants. (Also compare CO2 emissions if you care to, although they are not direct health threats to local communities.) I didnt say that they do not have these emissions. However, the health issues are not near what you like to post here (again I did not say did not exist) Backpedaling now? You seem conveniently to omit the health issues associated with MINING the coal in the first place. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326201751.htm www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/health/wva-study-unearths-higher-health-risks-in-coal-mining-communities-387564/ (Many more like that) Not backpedaling at all But a typical kallend redivert How are the serious health issues associated with coal mining not associated with coal use? Please explain carefully.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #33 February 27, 2013 >Were going to need those coal plants to produce the CO2 that grows the algae >that supplies our cars with biodiesel . . . . Burning natural gas will get you both CO2 _and_ water for those algae farms! CH4 + 2 O2 -> 2 H2O + CO2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #34 February 27, 2013 >Solar is a great option ajd far cheaper than infrastructure upgrades in the shorter term. Yeah, recently there has been a lot of interest in microgrids; small grids that have an assortment of loads and sources. India especially has a big demand for systems that give them power for things like lights, cellphone charging and the occasional medical refrigerator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #35 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Only if the enviromental idocy remains as it is or get nuttier No, even now gas is cheaper than coal. >As for the coal plants. More alarmism Do a bit of research, my friend. Compare SOx, NOx and particulate emissions between coal and NG fired plants. (Also compare CO2 emissions if you care to, although they are not direct health threats to local communities.) I didnt say that they do not have these emissions. However, the health issues are not near what you like to post here (again I did not say did not exist) Backpedaling now? You seem conveniently to omit the health issues associated with MINING the coal in the first place. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326201751.htm www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/health/wva-study-unearths-higher-health-risks-in-coal-mining-communities-387564/ (Many more like that) Not backpedaling at all But a typical kallend redivert How are the serious health issues associated with coal mining not associated with coal use? Please explain carefully. So do you support fracking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #36 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Only if the enviromental idocy remains as it is or get nuttier No, even now gas is cheaper than coal. >As for the coal plants. More alarmism Do a bit of research, my friend. Compare SOx, NOx and particulate emissions between coal and NG fired plants. (Also compare CO2 emissions if you care to, although they are not direct health threats to local communities.) I didnt say that they do not have these emissions. However, the health issues are not near what you like to post here (again I did not say did not exist) Backpedaling now? You seem conveniently to omit the health issues associated with MINING the coal in the first place. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326201751.htm www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/health/wva-study-unearths-higher-health-risks-in-coal-mining-communities-387564/ (Many more like that) Not backpedaling at all But a typical kallend redivert How are the serious health issues associated with coal mining not associated with coal use? Please explain carefully. So do you support fracking? Non sequitur. 2/10 for effort, 0/10 for results.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #37 February 27, 2013 Non sequitur aside, do you support fracking? Easy question, you should be able to handle it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #38 February 27, 2013 Take a look at Fracknation, it is an eye opener. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #39 February 28, 2013 QuoteNon sequitur aside, do you support fracking? Easy question, you should be able to handle it. Crickets,,,,,,,, Bump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #40 February 28, 2013 Natural gas, unlike oil is difficult to transport without a pipeline. Barring a transoceanic pipeline we will be enjoying cheap natural gas for at least a few decades. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #41 February 28, 2013 Quote>Frack you very much! Cool! Looks like you just made the argument for green energy that you missed in your first post. So are the jobs associated with fracking, "GREEN JOBS"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #42 February 28, 2013 QuoteNon sequitur aside, do you support fracking? Easy question, you should be able to handle it. Depends how responsibly it's done.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #43 February 28, 2013 >So are the jobs associated with fracking, "GREEN JOBS"? Greener than coal, not as green as solar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #44 February 28, 2013 QuoteQuoteNon sequitur aside, do you support fracking? Easy question, you should be able to handle it. Depends how responsibly it's done. Of course, nobody wants anything (even solar) to be done in an irresponsible manner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
