Biden is a complete idiot about guns.

[kallend 2,148]

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Love both of those. But, wait someone will say that by having those signs posted that it was somehow pre-meditated. *eye-roll*
(wish we had action smileys)

Ya
There is always those

That is why a big portion of my weapons carry course was spent on talking to LE in case some ass hat forces you to use force

A couple of points they made
1 DO NOT use reloads in your self protection weapon
DA's have used that the same way you indicate

2 Never say anything about killing or anything like that. You tell them you kept firing until there no longer was a threat

Sad one has to do this but that is what we live in today

Someone should let Biden know that

He knows
But that does not matter

He is already on record saying that the proposals out there will not stop mass shootings.
It is on tape. He cant say it was out of context

And that does not matter either

Right, and seat belts don't stop road deaths, but they sure can help and I'm sure you use one. But facts don't matter to you.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Biden's remarks are even more idiotic than Bloomberg claiming that assault rifle rounds are more than capable of shooting down jumbo jets at 1 1/2 miles(2640 yards).
Just shoot into the dark with your 12 gauge and scare them off .

Funny that in a previous thread about best home defense weapons one gun enthusiast wrote of a shotgun "The sound of the slide is intimidating." The general consensus of the DZ.COM gun experts was that a handgun or shotgun was best. No-one mentioned an AR15. Suddenly BDS has raised its head and the parameters have changed accordingly.

Right tool for the right job. The best weapon for close in, self defense is a shot gun. The point you seem to be incapable of understanding is that it's personal choice. Some like handguns, some like shotguns, some like AR-15's
What part of "shall not be infringed" are you still having trouble with?

[toolbox 0]

#1 Shooting any gun blindly into the dark,as Biden recomends, is not only idiotic,but very irresponsible.
#2 Although at close range a 12 gauge shot gun is indeed very formidable,and yes the sound of a pump action in the dark is enough to make any normal person shit themselves, even shooting some people is not a garauntee to stop them. In fact there are countless numbers of incidents where people have taken hits to the head and and chest with everything from 12 gauge shot gun blast to 22 long rifle rounds and everything between,and have continued to attack and in many cases have survived their wounds.
2 shots,3,4,ect,may not be enough for one threat let alone multiple threats.Shot guns also kick like mules and may be hard for a smaller person to handle.
#3 If I had my choice of weapons to defend a home in the country from a group of thugs,I would go for a high capacity semi-auto rifle,preferably in 308 winchester.
#4 Hand guns are good to carry for personal defense upon your body when out and about since they are smaller and easier to carry,and are easier to get to next to your bed in the night stand, but in a real serious confrontation while protecting a rural home, and facing multiple threats who are well armed,a hand gun would be something you would use until you could get to your rifle. Remember that some people live in rural texas border areas where it is common to have well armed criminals roaming about, just as example.

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Biden

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[toolbox 0]

The head is way to large on that stick figure.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Instead of discussing Bidens irresponsible comments why are you turning to attack member of this forum? Do you agree with what Biden said, and are trying to justify it?

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[billeisele 130]

The seven word thread title would be more accurate if the last two words were dropped.

Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.

[davjohns 1]

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Love both of those. But, wait someone will say that by having those signs posted that it was somehow pre-meditated. *eye-roll*
(wish we had action smileys)

Ya
There is always those

That is why a big portion of my weapons carry course was spent on talking to LE in case some ass hat forces you to use force

A couple of points they made
1 DO NOT use reloads in your self protection weapon
DA's have used that the same way you indicate

2 Never say anything about killing or anything like that. You tell them you kept firing until there no longer was a threat

Sad one has to do this but that is what we live in today

I will once again recommend: if you have been forced to defend yourself or another with deadly force, the police are not necessarily your friends. You have just been through a very traumatic experience. You are not ready to make any statements. Your statements will be much more coherent and helpful AFTER you speak with your attorney.

If you have been placed in this situation:

1. Render first aid as appropriate
2. Call 911 and tell them someone has been seriously injured and the address. That's all they need.
3. Render the weapon safe, place it in the open away from you, and make it clear you are not a threat to responding officers.
4. Call your attorney.
5. STFU

If anyone can improve on this list, please do.

Remember the phrase, 'anything you say (and do, and gesture, and body language) can and WILL be used against you...'. So, say and do as little as you can. Get behind closed doors with your attorney even if you have absolutely nothing to hide. The police are not on your side. The DA is not on your side. There is family out there that will want to sue you. There are groups out there that might want to use this event for their own purposes. The media is not on your side.

Don't make it worse.

Everyone likes Dirty Harry in the movies, but he can only exist in the movies. In real life, he would be crucified.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[DanG 1]

While I agree that firing warning shots at every funny noise is idiotic, I don't see where Biden said or implied that he was talking about a double barrel shotgun.

- Dan G

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Instead of discussing Bidens irresponsible comments why are you turning to attack member of this forum? Do you agree with what Biden said, and are trying to justify it?

Very Good Question. This shows you have the same interested as I do and others on this forum.

We are discussing what Biden said, not about any guns. The problem with America is that they just don't care. Our politicians are not held accountable for what they say. Here, Biden advocates and recommends breaking Delaware laws and what happens?

People don't hold him accountable. Including the President of the United States. Instead they make jokes. Letterman made a joke of it last night. HA HA HA HA

Biden is funny. HA HA HA HA

Politicians can say anything they want and they know they'll never be held accountable.

As American discusses gun violence, gun control, to have a VP recommend illegal use of a gun is pathetic. And Biden should be held accountable for his recommendation. Plain and simple. This is not a joke to laugh about.

If more American's felt the same, maybe we'd have a better gov't.

[rushmc 23]

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Biden's remarks are even more idiotic than Bloomberg claiming that assault rifle rounds are more than capable of shooting down jumbo jets at 1 1/2 miles(2640 yards).
Just shoot into the dark with your 12 gauge and scare them off .

Funny that in a previous thread about best home defense weapons one gun enthusiast wrote of a shotgun "The sound of the slide is intimidating." The general consensus of the DZ.COM gun experts was that a handgun or shotgun was best. No-one mentioned an AR15. Suddenly BDS has raised its head and the parameters have changed accordingly.

All the points you make are true

However, a small women would do better with an AR15 in some cases. This gun is simply much easier to control.

But the real point is the context in which Biden flapped his yap. He makes the comment under the umbrella of banning other guns

Maybe someone should tell you what skydiving equipment is the best for you and ban the other equipment

Biden also said fire a warning shot
Anyone living upstairs?

If someone is in my house the only way they might hear a shot, is if I miss them

I dont use a shot gun

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Love both of those. But, wait someone will say that by having those signs posted that it was somehow pre-meditated. *eye-roll*
(wish we had action smileys)

Ya
There is always those

That is why a big portion of my weapons carry course was spent on talking to LE in case some ass hat forces you to use force

A couple of points they made
1 DO NOT use reloads in your self protection weapon
DA's have used that the same way you indicate

2 Never say anything about killing or anything like that. You tell them you kept firing until there no longer was a threat

Sad one has to do this but that is what we live in today

I will once again recommend: if you have been forced to defend yourself or another with deadly force, the police are not necessarily your friends. You have just been through a very traumatic experience. You are not ready to make any statements. Your statements will be much more coherent and helpful AFTER you speak with your attorney.

If you have been placed in this situation:

1. Render first aid as appropriate
2. Call 911 and tell them someone has been seriously injured and the address. That's all they need.
3. Render the weapon safe, place it in the open away from you, and make it clear you are not a threat to responding officers.
4. Call your attorney.
5. STFU

If anyone can improve on this list, please do.

Remember the phrase, 'anything you say (and do, and gesture, and body language) can and WILL be used against you...'. So, say and do as little as you can. Get behind closed doors with your attorney even if you have absolutely nothing to hide. The police are not on your side. The DA is not on your side. There is family out there that will want to sue you. There are groups out there that might want to use this event for their own purposes. The media is not on your side.

Don't make it worse.

Everyone likes Dirty Harry in the movies, but he can only exist in the movies. In real life, he would be crucified.

+1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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While I agree that firing warning shots at every funny noise is idiotic, I don't see where Biden said or implied that he was talking about a double barrel shotgun.

Huh??? Then you need to watch the clip again. He says "double barrel shotgun" 2 times. :41 and 1:00

[Gravitymaster 0]

Why is it that whenever I see Biden being interviewed, it always seems like I'm watching a skit on Saturday Night Live?

[DanG 1]

Fair enough. I can't watch streaming video at work. I was just going off what the OP wrote.

- Dan G

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Fair enough. I can't watch streaming video at work. I was just going off what the OP wrote.

YEA, I SAID SHOTGUN. Meaning: I watched the video and heard Biden say SHOTGUN.

Yah yah yah yah....
No wonder...

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/2178547678001/

[DanG 1]

Do you realize that most pump action and semi-automatic shotguns hold more than two shells?

- Dan G

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Love both of those. But, wait someone will say that by having those signs posted that it was somehow pre-meditated. *eye-roll*
(wish we had action smileys)

Ya
There is always those

That is why a big portion of my weapons carry course was spent on talking to LE in case some ass hat forces you to use force

A couple of points they made
1 DO NOT use reloads in your self protection weapon
DA's have used that the same way you indicate

2 Never say anything about killing or anything like that. You tell them you kept firing until there no longer was a threat

Sad one has to do this but that is what we live in today

I will once again recommend: if you have been forced to defend yourself or another with deadly force, the police are not necessarily your friends. You have just been through a very traumatic experience. You are not ready to make any statements. Your statements will be much more coherent and helpful AFTER you speak with your attorney.

If you have been placed in this situation:

1. Render first aid as appropriate
2. Call 911 and tell them someone has been seriously injured and the address. That's all they need.
3. Render the weapon safe, place it in the open away from you, and make it clear you are not a threat to responding officers.
4. Call your attorney.
5. STFU

If anyone can improve on this list, please do.

Remember the phrase, 'anything you say (and do, and gesture, and body language) can and WILL be used against you...'. So, say and do as little as you can. Get behind closed doors with your attorney even if you have absolutely nothing to hide. The police are not on your side. The DA is not on your side. There is family out there that will want to sue you. There are groups out there that might want to use this event for their own purposes. The media is not on your side.

Don't make it worse.

Everyone likes Dirty Harry in the movies, but he can only exist in the movies. In real life, he would be crucified.

Completely agree!!!!

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

[Andy9o8 2]

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If anyone can improve on this list, please do.

Nope, it's a great list.

But I'll add a "sub-point (a)" to #5 - STFU. If the self-defense shooter is a juvenile for whom you're the parent or guardian, make sure the kid STFU, and do NOT give the police permission to interrogate the kid without a lawyer present. That means no "we always taught you to tell the truth; so just tell the police the truth." Do NOT believe the police when they tell you the kid doesn't need a lawyer because you will be present when he's questioned. That's just bullshit. I can't tell you how many juveniles (and their parents) I've had to advise to accept a plea-bargain offer rather than take (what would have been) an otherwise-defensible case to trial because the parent let the kid make a statement to police.

(Actually that goes for anytime your juvenile is suspected of a crime - there's ZERO benefit to not waiting until the lawyer gets there.)

[champu 1]

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If anyone can improve on this list, please do.

Remember the phrase, 'anything you say (and do, and gesture, and body language) can and will be used AGAINST YOU...'

...just fixing the emphasis of this statement.

[normiss 895]

Actually that should be said to ALL people about talking to the cops, not just minors.
The police are NOT there to help US.
Ever.

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Actually that should be said to ALL people about talking to the cops, not just minors..

Absofuckinglutely.

[tkhayes 348]

I'm not much good with a handgun, pretty darn good with a rifle and REALLY good with a shotgun.

When the 'apocalypse' comes, I will be quite happy with my shotguns. You may have whatever you like, and I will likely kick anyone's ass.

[toolbox 0]

If the apocalypse comes I hope you fare well.
Just hope no one sits out over 200 yards and shoots you through a tree with a 30cal rifle.
I like the idea of having a few types of firearms that each have a mission specific purpose.
Hand gun for close quarters and fighting your way back to a rifle, or for use while working on reloading the rifle.
Shot guns can be devastating and do not overpenetrate like a big rifle round. A 308 high capacity semi auto is good out to over 600 yards,they have a higher capacity and they shoot through light barriers pretty good as well.
Hopefully neither of us will ever have to shoot someone.
I've been able to deter two threats by simply showing them that I was armed without firing a shot (they were both armed as well).
Most predators are ambush specialist, and do not want to attack prey that could put up a good fight and possibly hurt them.