MN Lawmakers drop the gun control issue

[rushmc 23]

The link containes the story but, the reason I post it is because the story has many good facts that gun control advocates like to lie about

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/gun-control-doa-in-minnesota.php

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[regulator 0]

So locally, at least, the gun control boomlet has already come to an end. And if the Democrats can’t pass draconian gun control in Minnesota, where can they pass it? Likely nowhere.

[rehmwa 2]

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So locally, at least, the gun control boomlet has already come to an end

I disagree, it just means that the Dems are gutless in this state and know if they do anything at state level, they'll be kicked out.

So what they are doing is waiting for the Feds to stomp on our rights and then they'll just comply with it and use that as an excuse. This article plays right into that strategy even....



If anything, it's even worse, we have the state government giving up it's rights to self govern and pushing it to the higher level - which should really be out of this type of issue completely in deference to more local government.

States should independently establish a position - one way or the other - based on the will of the people. And then use that to base how they respond to the fed's intrusion - one way or the other.

this is just gutless - and expected

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[rehmwa 2]

My position?

MN has a minimal background check for hand guns. It's a questionaire, and then a quick check against felony status. Approval turns around very quick as a result. It's needed to purchase handguns from licensed dealers. Even then, the dealer has to make a call to see if the permit is expired or invalid.

1 - I'd like that extended to all firearms purchases.
2 - I'd like to see it appended to also require proof of basic firearms safety. (proof of class, answer some simple questions, or demonstration - any will do, there's no reason for a citizen trained by his dad to have to take and pay for a class when he can answer some simple questions to prove it).
3 - I think the basic safety class should be offered in high school. of course lots of places would offer it as a service.
4 - though useless to require it, that permit should be required for private sales too
5 - delete the dealer confirmation of status - if the permit expires, no sale. the sheriff can update each period on renewals. If the individual commits a felony, then the cops take away his permit.

A - It'll teach people about guns correctly.
B - Everyone is checked out prior to ability to purchase.
C - Once you have the permit - you can buy zero guns, you can buy 100 guns, but those sales are not registered or tracked, it's no business of anyone else what I legally purchase once I'm checked out in the general fashion needed to get the permit to buy.

D - Even so, it'll still do NOTHING to stop crazies from committing their first felonies. it'll not stop any illegal purchases. etc etc etc

this is about education, and ensuring legal citizens have a way to get checked out without having their privacy violated, or zealot 'officials' denying them basic rights for false reasons.

no where in here does it talk about psychological eval. If a crazy proves themselves a felon by their ACTIONS under law, then it's automatic......

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[sfzombie 3]

why would you go to such great lengths devising a strategy, a very well thought out and workable strategy, and tehn debunk it in the next line.
had you spent some time and effort in another direction, you may well have provided a workable strategy that will work. the real reason that gun violence is so prevalent is that consequences are never shown in media depictions of violence.
now i am the last guy on earth to suggest more govt intervention in our lives, but without showing the aftermath, it merely glorifies the actions. take for example 200 years ago. everyone could get a gun anywhere. and why didn't kids shoot each other in the schoolyard? they had seen death and public executions up close and knew the consequences.
just a thought, not necessarily the way it truly is. think outside the box and see what you can come up with in a week. i love the thought process.

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[rehmwa 2]

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why would you go to such great lengths devising a strategy, a very well thought out and workable strategy, and tehn debunk it in the next line.

I appreciate the remainder of your post as it has to do with penalties and enforcing existing law. But this part I want to address.

MN Legislature didn't so much devise a strategy, they did assemble a lot of talking points with the intent of pitching it in a serious fashion for a vote.

I'm sure once they actually paid attention to what their constituents really wanted they decided it would be political suicide to move forward. So they ditched it until someone else (feds) pulls the trigger.

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[sfzombie 3]

i was referring to what you'd like to see, i wasn't aware that it was the verbiage of the state policy.

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